can an E/C stack be taken during pct?

slydeflex · 09-01-2004, 08:33 AM

Hi, I am currently doing my pct for a 6 week 1test/4ad cycle with Novla. I have heard that during pct there is less energy for working out. I do not want to cut, however, I wanted to know if I can use an E/C stack to get energy to work out since I workout early in the morning. I plan to continue maintaining higher calories during pct to maintain all of my gains.

topolo · 09-01-2004, 11:37 AM

the answer is yes......but you will probably lose weight while using an e/c stack

mikeb · 09-01-2004, 01:30 PM

I'm just curious. Do you go out of your way to place links to place links to the #1 Bodybuilding Supplement Company in every single post?

**Pirate!** · 09-01-2004, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slydeflex

Hi, I am currently doing my pct for a 6 week 1test/4ad cycle with Novla. I have heard that during pct there is less energy for working out. I do not want to cut, however, I wanted to know if I can use an E/C stack to get energy to work out since I workout early in the morning. I plan to continue maintaining higher calories during pct to maintain all of my gains.

No problem. As you said, keep cals up.

redspy · 09-01-2004, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeb

I'm just curious. Do you go out of your way to place links to place links to the #1 Bodybuilding Supplement Company in every single post?

Most of his posts include links, like this one:- http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=35021 (1ad/4derm cycle questions)

When you say #1 Bodybuilding Supplement Company you mean MuscleTech, right?

mikeb · 09-01-2004, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

Most of his posts include links, like this one:- http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=35021 (1ad/4derm cycle questions)

When you say #1 Bodybuilding Supplement Company you mean MuscleTech, right?

Ouch.

I just think it's spam to do that. Hell, Robert let's ya post a sig with a URL so why dick around with cheesy links.
Whatever. I'm not surprised considering the source.

**Pirate!** · 09-01-2004, 03:13 PM

I'm sorry, but any site that says this:

Stack Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Protein with
BioTest MAG-10
Kaizen Androbolic
Muscletech Cell Tech
VPX Gangsta Test
EAS Betagen

does not earn my trust. reference: http://milleniumfitness.com/optimum-...-whey-protein/

redspy · 09-01-2004, 04:26 PM

Which product do you object to in particular?

**Pirate!** · 09-01-2004, 06:08 PM

Everything but the Whey. You don't "stack" PH with protein. These products are too expensive and/or ineffective. The way it is worded it suggests you take all of them.

redspy · 09-01-2004, 06:19 PM

It's just marketing my friend. You can choose to ignore

**Pirate!** · 09-01-2004, 06:20 PM

Twin Peak · 09-02-2004, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeb

I'm just curious. Do you go out of your way to place links to place links to the #1 Bodybuilding Supplement Company in every single post?

Personally, I find this to be the objectionable post.

mikeb · 09-03-2004, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I'm sorry, but any site that says this:

Stack Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Protein with
BioTest MAG-10
Kaizen Androbolic
Muscletech Cell Tech
VPX Gangsta Test
EAS Betagen

does not earn my trust. reference: http://milleniumfitness.com/optimum-...-whey-protein/

You're joking right? Have you heard of "selling"? Marketing?

mikeb · 09-03-2004, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Personally, I find this to be the objectionable post.

Well I guess Millennium Fitness is just on everyone's shit list these days.
I point out blatant spam in a joking way and you object to my post but have no problem with the spammer.

mikeb · 09-03-2004, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Everything but the Whey. You don't "stack" PH with protein. These products are too expensive and/or ineffective. The way it is worded it suggests you take all of them.

Using your logic, we shouldn't sell anything that isn't "too expensive" and any consumer would not realize that we are suggesting other items.
I think you need to step outside the box a little.

**Pirate!** · 09-03-2004, 06:57 PM

Hey now. I was just giving my opinion. What I was saying is that when I looked up a food product (protein) it suggested I "stack" it with a handful of drugs and supplements notorious for their bad effectiveness to hype/price ratio. If I am shopping for a BMW and the salesman says "I suggest you buy a few Kias for $20K each", I don't trust that guy's recommendations. That is all I said in my earlier post--that what I read didn't inspire trust in the seller. I like to shop at places I trust. This why I shop at www.bulknutrion.com. Don't flame me be because your business is sub-par and your site poorly managed.

redspy · 09-03-2004, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeb

Well I guess Millennium Fitness is just on everyone's shit list these days.
I point out blatant spam in a joking way and you object to my post but have no problem with the spammer.

Mike, I don't think you're on a shit list. You're a site sponsor and most members appreciate that fact. Some people have clear preferences about where to buy their supplements but competition is never a bad thing.

mikeb · 09-03-2004, 08:28 PM

Who's flaming who?
Listen, if you want to make a legitimate comment on our business, fine. If you want to suggest something VALID..fine. If you have a favorite supplement company, Fine...so do our tens of thousands of customers.
But when someone like yourself, bags on our company for doing the SAME thing that any other company does, including bulk nutrition, I will point it out. You claim our site is suggesting "supplements notorious for their bad effectiveness" (POOR grammer btw) only shows this. Our site sells the same f-ing products that your "favorite site" sells. If we're selling shit that's "notorious for their bad effectiveness" then so are they.

According to your logic, it's fine for your favorite company bulk nutrition to suggest, for example, that Ergolean "works well" with 6-OXO, or that Cell-Tech "works well" with N-Large or (give me a break) V-12 (yeah there's a great combo) but for us to suggest someone purchases Cell-Tech (the same "notorious for it's bad effectiveness product that bulk nutrition sells) with their protein...that's indicitave that we are a sub-par company.

Your argument is empty, your comments are immature and you can go ahead and have the last word as I'm sure you will want to. I refuse to argue further with someone online over this ridiculous post.

mikeb · 09-03-2004, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

Mike, I don't think you're on a shit list. You're a site sponsor and most members appreciate that fact. Some people have clear preferences about where to buy their supplements but competition is never a bad thing.

Thanks bro. I guess I'm a bit heated over the fact that we pay to support the board (and obviously for the advertising benefit) but someone comes on and spams the board. And quite frankly I'm surprised it's allowed.
And when I point it out in what I figured was a cute way, someone says WE'RE the bad guys.
No worries, we have MANY customers via this forum that we appreciate and try to serve as best we can....I won't be losing too much sleep over this.

mikeb · 09-03-2004, 08:35 PM

Redspy....love that avatar in your profile....maybe you should be using that one as public buddy!

redspy · 09-03-2004, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeb

Redspy....love that avatar in your profile....maybe you should be using that one as public buddy!

Trust me, I've tried. Unfortunately the file size is too big so it won't allow me to post it as an avatar.

**Pirate!** · 09-03-2004, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeb

Ok. You are right, PirateFromHell. Our company does have bad PR. This is obvious, considering how big of a hot-head I have been on this thread. If I was any good at my job, I would have better customer relations. Instead I can't control my temper, and therefore I continue to give my business a bad name by being such an argumentative jerk. I know it is my fault, but I am just an asshole sometimes. Sorry. Please don't hold my incompetence against my company. It is not their fault I am a drunk. They would have fired me a long time ago, but since I am gay, I would have nailed them with a discrimination lawsuit. So they put up with me, even though I continue to hurt their image.

No problem, bro. I totally understand your situation. Hang in there and just keep cool.Things will get better. I'm sure you can overcome these obstacles. Best wishes.

09-01-2004, 01:30 PM	#3
mikeb Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: California Posts: 78	I'm just curious. Do you go out of your way to place links to place links to the #1 Bodybuilding Supplement Company in every single post? Millennium Fitness Supplement Your Training The #1 Online Source for Cutting edge, brand name supplements

09-01-2004, 03:13 PM	#7
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	I'm sorry, but any site that says this: Stack Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Protein with BioTest MAG-10 Kaizen Androbolic Muscletech Cell Tech VPX Gangsta Test EAS Betagen does not earn my trust. reference: http://milleniumfitness.com/optimum-...-whey-protein/ My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-01-2004, 06:08 PM	#9
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	Everything but the Whey. You don't "stack" PH with protein. These products are too expensive and/or ineffective. The way it is worded it suggests you take all of them. My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-01-2004, 06:20 PM	#11
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-03-2004, 06:57 PM	#16
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	Hey now. I was just giving my opinion. What I was saying is that when I looked up a food product (protein) it suggested I "stack" it with a handful of drugs and supplements notorious for their bad effectiveness to hype/price ratio. If I am shopping for a BMW and the salesman says "I suggest you buy a few Kias for $20K each", I don't trust that guy's recommendations. That is all I said in my earlier post--that what I read didn't inspire trust in the seller. I like to shop at places I trust. This why I shop at www.bulknutrion.com. Don't flame me be because your business is sub-par and your site poorly managed. My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-01-2004, 08:33 AM	#1
slydeflex Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 20	can an E/C stack be taken during pct? Hi, I am currently doing my pct for a 6 week 1test/4ad cycle with Novla. I have heard that during pct there is less energy for working out. I do not want to cut, however, I wanted to know if I can use an E/C stack to get energy to work out since I workout early in the morning. I plan to continue maintaining higher calories during pct to maintain all of my gains.

09-01-2004, 04:26 PM	#8
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Which product do you object to in particular?

09-01-2004, 06:19 PM	#10
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	It's just marketing my friend. You can choose to ignore

09-03-2004, 08:28 PM	#18
mikeb Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: California Posts: 78	Who's flaming who? Listen, if you want to make a legitimate comment on our business, fine. If you want to suggest something VALID..fine. If you have a favorite supplement company, Fine...so do our tens of thousands of customers. But when someone like yourself, bags on our company for doing the SAME thing that any other company does, including bulk nutrition, I will point it out. You claim our site is suggesting "supplements notorious for their bad effectiveness" (POOR grammer btw) only shows this. Our site sells the same f-ing products that your "favorite site" sells. If we're selling shit that's "notorious for their bad effectiveness" then so are they. According to your logic, it's fine for your favorite company bulk nutrition to suggest, for example, that Ergolean "works well" with 6-OXO, or that Cell-Tech "works well" with N-Large or (give me a break) V-12 (yeah there's a great combo) but for us to suggest someone purchases Cell-Tech (the same "notorious for it's bad effectiveness product that bulk nutrition sells) with their protein...that's indicitave that we are a sub-par company. Your argument is empty, your comments are immature and you can go ahead and have the last word as I'm sure you will want to. I refuse to argue further with someone online over this ridiculous post. Millennium Fitness Supplement Your Training The #1 Online Source for Cutting edge, brand name supplements

09-03-2004, 08:35 PM	#20
mikeb Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: California Posts: 78	Redspy....love that avatar in your profile....maybe you should be using that one as public buddy! Millennium Fitness Supplement Your Training The #1 Online Source for Cutting edge, brand name supplements

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