All my M1T research in one post

**Pirate!** · 09-08-2004, 06:33 AM

Many people would say that is a waste of 6-oxo, but I did the same kind of thing. I had about half a bottle left, but planned on using nolva for pct, so I just ate a bunch of 6-oxo during the last week of my cycle. It couldn't hurt, but it might not help much either. I don't know what Irwin Naturals Steel Labido is, but it sounds funny.

Purdue Power · 09-08-2004, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pop

can u tell me plz wat 4 derm is, is oxo6 a good test stimulate and Alpha Lipoic Acid can i use this on dianobol does it protect the liver and where can i get it tyvm

Pop, you need to first start by typing in sentences, using punctuation and separating your statements. Then you would do good to use the search tool to find answers to the questions that you have.

Purdue Power · 09-08-2004, 07:39 AM

The steel labido is a mix of Tribulus, Arganine, Horny Goat Weed, and a bunch of other stuff for raising labido. I figured that every little bit would help. We get a bunch of sample packs at work, so I helped myself, so now I have a bunch of little baggies with 6 black pills in them. I look like a recreational pharmacist.

Purdue Power · 09-08-2004, 08:54 AM

I just started my M1T on Monday(today being Wed). I did the full week of 4Derm last week with 4 sprays at a time, 2 times a day. There is definately a lot more test in my system now. It is like being in HS again with all of the sudden erections. It is pretty awesome. I'm only 21, so I still naturally have high test levels. I will post again when I can tell that the M1T is kicking in, which according to the common occurence with other people's posts, should be in the next day or 2.

Purdue Power · 09-08-2004, 02:56 PM

If my the time of day that I lift for a certain day permits me to take my M1T in 2 doses, would that be better? Being that like today, I don't lift till 5, so I took 5mg this morning and I will take another 5mg after I lift. Or should I still just take it all at once?

gococksDJS · 09-08-2004, 11:05 PM

I also started M1T on Monday, right now im doing 15 mg. a day and doing 5 sprays of 4-Derm twice a day but i added 4 grams of 4-AD powder to it. I am in college and can't lift until around 4 or 5 so I have been taking 5 mg in the morning and then 10 mg in the afternoon. I gotta be careful in class though due to the 4 Derm. Ill pop up out of nowhere and have to execute the flip. Im starting to get slight headaches at night though but nothing thats too bad, but the M1T should kick in pretty soon. My initial plan was 2 weeks on M1T followed by 4 weeks on S1+ and then another 2 weeks on M1T and then an aggressive PCT but i doubt ill do that now. I'm gonna get bloodwork done about halfway through just to see what the deal is and ill post my results.

**Pirate!** · 09-09-2004, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

I gotta be careful in class though due to the 4 Derm. Ill pop up out of nowhere and have to execute the flip.

I had the same problem. Post your blood work. I split up my doses sometims just to keep blood pressure in check. I don't see anything wrong with it, PP.

Purdue Power · 09-09-2004, 08:49 AM

Day 4- I had a huge swell going this morning doing bi's(more than ususal). It looked like I had roid arms goin. This is good shit so far.

How long should I wait to up my dosage if I don't see any sides??? I havn't seen any yet.

gococksDJS · 09-09-2004, 09:33 AM

I would say a week. Im at 15mg a day and all ive seen is small headache's at night but they go away so im gonna up it to 20 mg this monday if i don't see any more sides.

rrgg · 09-09-2004, 09:37 AM

I don't think I read any responses to the following instruction:

Quote:

Start you 4Derm by Dermabolics 1 week before starting your M1T to get your test levels up before you start your M1T- 4 sprays twice a day 12 hours apart

Do you guys agree with this logic? If so, would you apply this to other cycles, say doing it for 1 week before using 1-test/4ad together? I haven't really seen this recommendation before.

gococksDJS · 09-09-2004, 09:40 AM

I did not do this, so im not sure how important it is. I started 4Derm the same day I started M1T, and added 4 more grams of 4-AD to the 4Derm. I haven't encountered any shutdowns yet, but this is only my 4th day

Purdue Power · 09-12-2004, 03:42 AM

I have been on the M1T for a week now. I started at 10mg/day and didn't have any sides and saw a big increase in size by day 4. And you know if you can tell a difference in yourself, that there must be a difference. I upped my dosage to 15mg/day a couple days ago, and still don't have any sides. I hope that this keeps up so I can share everything that I did so that others might be able to cycle w/o the sides. I definately think that the week of 4Derm prior to starting the M1T helped, and all of the extra vitamins that I am pumping in.

**Pirate!** · 09-12-2004, 08:50 AM

I kept upping my dose based on lack of sides, but now I know it was a mistake. One thing is for sure: the higher dose you take, the more and longer you are shut down. One thing is up for debate: If you get great results with 10 mg, will you get better results with 20 mg? I seriously doubt it. I figured the more the merrier, and payed the price. My gains on 10 mg/ day were just as good as my gains on 20 mg/day (on my first M1T cycle). I have read many posts where others have shared the same experience. I have two more M1T cycles planned in the future, and I have no intention of going above 10 mg/day. Why shut myself down twice as hard when I get awesome results with 10 mg M1T and plenty of 4-derm? It is a better policy to take the least amount a drug necessary to get the desired effect. Your body will only produce new muscle so fast. You should just take enough to get the job done. This amount will vary with individuals and the quality of your product.

**Pirate!** · 09-12-2004, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrgg

I don't think I read any responses to the following instruction:
Do you guys agree with this logic? If so, would you apply this to other cycles, say doing it for 1 week before using 1-test/4ad together? I haven't really seen this recommendation before.

It is not necessary. I think it is more important to continue the 4-AD after you stop the M1T than to start the 4-AD first. You will have a smoother transition into PCT, IMO. I don't see any reason to do it with 1-Test, because one test doesn't hit so hard so fast. What brands of M1T are you two using?

rrgg · 09-12-2004, 09:09 AM

Pirate- I guess I was just asking whether this is a sound idea. I think you're saying it is, but maybe not the best strategy. (To answer your other question-- I'm not using m1t)

Purdue Power · 09-12-2004, 11:11 AM

I am on the UG M1T.
Is it too late to go back to 10mg/day, or do I have to stay at 15 to keep my progress? I have only been doing 15mg for 2 days.

firestorm · 09-12-2004, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redneck

I use Underground Labs m1t 10mg about 7am with 6 sprays of Dermabolics 4ad Derm and then i repeat that around 3:30pm.

My wife thinks i'm taking viagra!

I'm 42 as well, maybe I better up my amount of 4ad then cause I didn't have this experience. sheeit.

firestorm · 09-12-2004, 11:24 AM

Well all this M1T talk got me all excited. I'll start a cycle tomorrow. I don't have any of that spray on stuff guys so I'm just gonna go with 4ad caps. Anybody see a problem with that???? That is how I did it in the past but I'm wondering now of what if any benefits the spray has over the oral. ?????? Word??

PreMier · 09-12-2004, 11:28 AM

4ad isnt very bio available. The liver breaks it down way too fast, the transdermal spray is highly recommended. Mike sells 4-derm for pretty cheap at bulknutrition.com.

Here is from the FAQ:

Quote:

4AD

4AD is the next best. It is almost always used with other hormones due also to its resounding user feedback and adding large amounts of mass from increases in testosterone and estrogen. 4AD can be taken orally, transdermally, or sublingually.
2-6 week cycles are generally used. 4AD can be stacked with just about anything.

Oral:
300-1500mg daily. Oral is probably the worst way to take this, but if you are simply looking to reduce sides of 1AD, etc – it works. Take in divided doses to ensure elevated blood levels.

Transdermal:
400-600mg daily with two applications in morning at night.

Sublingual:
Probably 15-50mg at a time, 3 times or more daily in divided doses.

Notice that almost tripple dosage is needed orally.

firestorm · 09-12-2004, 11:30 AM

Well since I have so damn much of it, wouldn't spacing it out throughout the day work?

PreMier · 09-12-2004, 11:31 AM

Do you have raw powder? You could buy some t-gel and make your own transdermal I believe.

firestorm · 09-12-2004, 11:32 AM

disregard last post, I didn't see that quote you put up there....I thought it was one of those big as signatures Thank you for the imput. Very appreciated.

PreMier · 09-12-2004, 11:32 AM

Your welcome.

firestorm · 09-12-2004, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

Do you have raw powder? You could buy some t-gel and make your own transdermal I believe.

Several months ago I bought 15 bottles of M1T and like 10 bottles of 4ad Caps. Ironically I did buy the 6 oxo in powder form and made my own caps.
I'd really Hate to sit there pulling all those 4ad caps apart but I suppose I could. Would doing so work or is the powder form used for the spray a different compound.

PreMier · 09-12-2004, 11:48 AM

Im not 100% sure.. but I believe its the same thing. I mean 4ad is 4ad right? It would be a pain to pull them apart, but you would save yourself a bit of money, because you would have to use far less. You can get t-gel from custom, and even DMSO(wich increases absorbtion). You want your stuff to be ~10% DMSO.

Maybe redspy or pirate will chime in, they know more than me.

firestorm · 09-12-2004, 11:52 AM

I can always check the bottle of 4ad for additives but I'm not sure if the other form is treated or something. Maybe powedered down more, who knows. Just have to wait for more input OR just go and buy it. I'd pretty much assume though it's the same thing. only real thing might be possible additives in the precapped stuff.
Thanks again for all the imput. I also copied/pasted your FAQ quote to word and printed it. that was very helpful

PreMier · 09-12-2004, 11:53 AM

Edit.. the t-gel from custom has DMFA in it.. no need for DMSO

PreMier · 09-12-2004, 11:54 AM

For proper credit, the FAQ came from here http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=27368 (Prohormone / Prosteroid FAQ - Everything You Need to Know!)

09-08-2004, 07:39 AM	#33
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	The steel labido is a mix of Tribulus, Arganine, Horny Goat Weed, and a bunch of other stuff for raising labido. I figured that every little bit would help. We get a bunch of sample packs at work, so I helped myself, so now I have a bunch of little baggies with 6 black pills in them. I look like a recreational pharmacist.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-08-2004, 08:54 AM	#34
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I just started my M1T on Monday(today being Wed). I did the full week of 4Derm last week with 4 sprays at a time, 2 times a day. There is definately a lot more test in my system now. It is like being in HS again with all of the sudden erections. It is pretty awesome. I'm only 21, so I still naturally have high test levels. I will post again when I can tell that the M1T is kicking in, which according to the common occurence with other people's posts, should be in the next day or 2.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-08-2004, 02:56 PM	#35
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	If my the time of day that I lift for a certain day permits me to take my M1T in 2 doses, would that be better? Being that like today, I don't lift till 5, so I took 5mg this morning and I will take another 5mg after I lift. Or should I still just take it all at once?
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-08-2004, 11:05 PM	#36
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002	I also started M1T on Monday, right now im doing 15 mg. a day and doing 5 sprays of 4-Derm twice a day but i added 4 grams of 4-AD powder to it. I am in college and can't lift until around 4 or 5 so I have been taking 5 mg in the morning and then 10 mg in the afternoon. I gotta be careful in class though due to the 4 Derm. Ill pop up out of nowhere and have to execute the flip. Im starting to get slight headaches at night though but nothing thats too bad, but the M1T should kick in pretty soon. My initial plan was 2 weeks on M1T followed by 4 weeks on S1+ and then another 2 weeks on M1T and then an aggressive PCT but i doubt ill do that now. I'm gonna get bloodwork done about halfway through just to see what the deal is and ill post my results.
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002

09-09-2004, 08:49 AM	#38
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Day 4- I had a huge swell going this morning doing bi's(more than ususal). It looked like I had roid arms goin. This is good shit so far. How long should I wait to up my dosage if I don't see any sides??? I havn't seen any yet.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-09-2004, 09:33 AM	#39
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002	I would say a week. Im at 15mg a day and all ive seen is small headache's at night but they go away so im gonna up it to 20 mg this monday if i don't see any more sides.
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002

09-09-2004, 09:40 AM	#41
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002	I did not do this, so im not sure how important it is. I started 4Derm the same day I started M1T, and added 4 more grams of 4-AD to the 4Derm. I haven't encountered any shutdowns yet, but this is only my 4th day
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002

09-12-2004, 03:42 AM	#42
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I have been on the M1T for a week now. I started at 10mg/day and didn't have any sides and saw a big increase in size by day 4. And you know if you can tell a difference in yourself, that there must be a difference. I upped my dosage to 15mg/day a couple days ago, and still don't have any sides. I hope that this keeps up so I can share everything that I did so that others might be able to cycle w/o the sides. I definately think that the week of 4Derm prior to starting the M1T helped, and all of the extra vitamins that I am pumping in.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-12-2004, 08:50 AM	#43
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 5,728	I kept upping my dose based on lack of sides, but now I know it was a mistake. One thing is for sure: the higher dose you take, the more and longer you are shut down. One thing is up for debate: If you get great results with 10 mg, will you get better results with 20 mg? I seriously doubt it. I figured the more the merrier, and payed the price. My gains on 10 mg/ day were just as good as my gains on 20 mg/day (on my first M1T cycle). I have read many posts where others have shared the same experience. I have two more M1T cycles planned in the future, and I have no intention of going above 10 mg/day. Why shut myself down twice as hard when I get awesome results with 10 mg M1T and plenty of 4-derm? It is a better policy to take the least amount a drug necessary to get the desired effect. Your body will only produce new muscle so fast. You should just take enough to get the job done. This amount will vary with individuals and the quality of your product.

09-12-2004, 09:09 AM	#45
rrgg Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 261	Pirate- I guess I was just asking whether this is a sound idea. I think you're saying it is, but maybe not the best strategy. (To answer your other question-- I'm not using m1t)
rrgg Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 261

09-12-2004, 11:11 AM	#46
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I am on the UG M1T. Is it too late to go back to 10mg/day, or do I have to stay at 15 to keep my progress? I have only been doing 15mg for 2 days.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-12-2004, 11:24 AM	#48
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Well all this M1T talk got me all excited. I'll start a cycle tomorrow. I don't have any of that spray on stuff guys so I'm just gonna go with 4ad caps. Anybody see a problem with that???? That is how I did it in the past but I'm wondering now of what if any benefits the spray has over the oral. ?????? Word??

09-12-2004, 11:30 AM	#50
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Well since I have so damn much of it, wouldn't spacing it out throughout the day work?

09-12-2004, 11:31 AM	#51
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,088 Photos: 2	Do you have raw powder? You could buy some t-gel and make your own transdermal I believe.
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

09-12-2004, 11:32 AM	#52
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	disregard last post, I didn't see that quote you put up there....I thought it was one of those big as signatures Thank you for the imput. Very appreciated.

09-12-2004, 11:48 AM	#55
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,088 Photos: 2	Im not 100% sure.. but I believe its the same thing. I mean 4ad is 4ad right? It would be a pain to pull them apart, but you would save yourself a bit of money, because you would have to use far less. You can get t-gel from custom, and even DMSO(wich increases absorbtion). You want your stuff to be ~10% DMSO. Maybe redspy or pirate will chime in, they know more than me.
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

09-12-2004, 11:52 AM	#56
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	I can always check the bottle of 4ad for additives but I'm not sure if the other form is treated or something. Maybe powedered down more, who knows. Just have to wait for more input OR just go and buy it. I'd pretty much assume though it's the same thing. only real thing might be possible additives in the precapped stuff. Thanks again for all the imput. I also copied/pasted your FAQ quote to word and printed it. that was very helpful

09-12-2004, 11:53 AM	#57
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,088 Photos: 2	Edit.. the t-gel from custom has DMFA in it.. no need for DMSO
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

09-12-2004, 11:54 AM	#58
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,088 Photos: 2	For proper credit, the FAQ came from here http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=27368 (Prohormone / Prosteroid FAQ - Everything You Need to Know!)