All my M1T research in one post

firestorm · 09-12-2004, 01:58 PM

I very much doubt anyone will debate this but dropping the dose would be fine. In fact "encouraged" as I'm sure you may have read regarding negative sides. I personnally on my 1st cycle had such lethargy that I was forced to cut back and actually made better gains. I'm sure that was due to the "lack" of lethargy but the point being, cutting the dose to 10 is actually the prescribed amount so do so expecially if it's only been a couple of days.

**Pirate!** · 09-12-2004, 04:09 PM

PP, It is not too late. I backed off during my cycle when I realized that I wasn't getting better gains and just shutting down harder. My gains were just as good when I backed off to 10mg/day again.

rrgg, I should have been more specific. I was asking PP & gococksDJS what brand they were using in the same post that I addressed your question.

Luke9583 · 09-12-2004, 04:26 PM

I'm starting a 5mg a day 4 week cycle tomorrow with UG labs

redspy · 09-12-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

Edit.. the t-gel from custom has DMFA in it.. no need for DMSO

Custom's T-Gel is great, it absorbs rapidly in the skin and doesn't leave behind a greasy residue. I added 10 grams of bulk 4-AD powder with no problems.

With regard to breaking up the 4-AD caps the only issue is what fillers, if any, were added during the capping process. Hopefully they're pure 4-AD and if so a transdermal is a much better option. Even if fillers were used I'm sure it would be with inert ingredients so it's not going to cause any harm IMO.

redspy · 09-12-2004, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke9583

I'm starting a 5mg a day 4 week cycle tomorrow with UG labs

Are you intending to split the pill into two 2.5mg doses?

Purdue Power · 09-12-2004, 04:47 PM

I cut back to 10mg/day starting today. This is the last day of my first week, and I am blowing up huge. My swells are enormous and I am putting on some insane mass. Everyone is telling me that I am looking a lot bigger too. I wonder how long it will be before somebody asks me if I am on steroids.

firestorm · 09-12-2004, 04:48 PM

Thanks Red

redspy · 09-12-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I cut back to 10mg/day starting today. This is the last day of my first week, and I am blowing up huge. My swells are enormous and I am putting on some insane mass. Everyone is telling me that I am looking a lot bigger too. I wonder how long it will be before somebody asks me if I am on steroids.

Glad things are working out well for you. I've seen a few cycle logs of people running 5-10mg for 4 weeks and they love it because of the great gains and low sides. When people see great gains at 10mg there's a huge temptation to jack up the dose without waiting to see what 10mg will do for a longer period of time. Next cycle I'll be running 10mg M1T with transdermal 4-AD.

Keep us updated

Purdue Power · 09-12-2004, 05:27 PM

If I havn't had any hint of signs after the first week, that doesn't mean that I won't have sides at all, does it??? I have had quite the opposite of all the side effects that I have been warned about: my appetite is through the roof(eating every hour and a half), labido through the roof(from 4Derm), no headaches, lots of energy....

firestorm · 09-12-2004, 05:45 PM

Perdue, I will say that when I suffered and I mean suffered from lethargy it was almost immediate. 24 hours after 1st dose and I felf like I was hit by a truck. I couldn't get enough sleep. I'd think that if you were going to get some of those types of sides you would have had them already. As for any of the other possibilities I can't say since I didn't have any.

Purdue Power · 09-13-2004, 10:43 PM

Still no sides after starting into my 2nd week. My swells are still huge and everyone is telling me that I am a lot bigger.

redspy · 09-13-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

Still no sides after starting into my 2nd week.

I wonder whether your liver agrees with that statement?

Purdue Power · 09-13-2004, 11:10 PM

Poor guy...I am feeding him ALA. I don't drink anyways, so that is less for it to deal with. Are there any signs that it might be stressed?

PreMier · 09-13-2004, 11:15 PM

Not untill its too late.

Purdue Power · 09-16-2004, 12:55 PM

I may be experiencing the first signs of side effects towards the end of my 2nd week. I have noticed a slight appearance of very tiny whiteheads on my forehead and around my nose. It may also be due to the heat and humidity around here causing my skin to be oily and sweaty. It is by no means a bad case, but it is worth noting, since this is the first side that I have had.

redspy · 09-16-2004, 01:03 PM

It could also be a side effect of the 4Derm.

**Pirate!** · 09-16-2004, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Purdue Power

Poor guy...I am feeding him ALA. I don't drink anyways, so that is less for it to deal with. Are there any signs that it might be stressed?

It is possible that you could wake up feeling like you have to shit really bad. When you let it out, you will see that you just shat out your liver. Unlikely, but possible. You wont see it coming. Everything will be fine, then its all over. Before you can fish it out of the pot and call 911, you will fall down dead. Your friends will find you lying on the bathroom floor naked with a shit-coated liver in your hand. However, it wont do any good to worry about it. Either you live or you die. Just enjoy the gains while your heart still beats in your chest. If you quit posting, we will no why.

PreMier · 09-16-2004, 09:53 PM

redspy · 09-16-2004, 10:09 PM

Pirate's a little edgy as he goes under the knife tomorrow. Hope that shoulder is okay bro!

babylon · 09-17-2004, 01:15 AM

here is a question i have had for a while...if methyl 1-test doesnt convert to estogen why should one still watch out for gyno? ? ?

Purdue Power · 09-17-2004, 02:56 AM

The test in your system can convert to estrogen, but not the M1T directly.

**Pirate!** · 09-17-2004, 06:37 AM

Gyno from M1T is extremely rare. If you are particularly prone to gyno and you stack with a bunch of 4-AD, then you have cause to watch for it. Even then, it is rare.

rrgg · 09-17-2004, 10:19 AM

Do you guys think it's equally rare for other PH/PS that don't directly convert? It seems like this wouldn't be an issue without high enough test levels.

**Pirate!** · 09-17-2004, 11:49 PM

I think most cases of gyno with PH/PS involve gross overdosing. When you say "directly convert" do you mean to testosterone? All PH directly convert to something. It is certainly an issue with high enough test levels. The test is what coverts to estrogen--which is usually the cause of gyno.

rrgg · 09-18-2004, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

When you say "directly convert" do you mean to testosterone?

I meant PH that have some direct conversion to estrogen

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It is certainly an issue with high enough test levels.

Yes, but then the issue is defining overdosing. It seems different for everyone.

**Pirate!** · 09-18-2004, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rrgg

It seems like this wouldn't be an issue without high enough test levels.

I see. I misunderstood. Gyno is rarely an issue when test isn't being raised significantly. However, some PH can convert to estrogen.

5 androstenediol (5AD or 5diol) converts to testosterone at a very low rate and is an estrogen agonist
4 androstenedione (andro) converts to testosterone and estrone (estrogen)
19 nor-4-androstenedione (norandro) converts to nortestosterone and estrogen
DHEA converts to androstenedione and can be converted to all other hormones
Pregnenolone converts to progesterone and can be converted to all other hormones

Therefore, gyno can happen without high test levels.

Purdue Power · 09-19-2004, 02:29 PM

I am have reduced my 4Derm dosage to 3 sprays at a time. I think it is the cause of my appearance of whiteheads, though not a major problem. My gains havn't been as drastic as the first week, so I am going to up my M1T dosage up to 15mg.

Luke9583 · 09-19-2004, 03:17 PM

I seem to get ance with 4ad too, i'm not prone to getting acne either.

**Pirate!** · 09-19-2004, 05:43 PM

Who gives a fuck about zits? I'd keep the 4-derm up PP. Just wash your face more more often and get a drying agent like benzol peroxide. It is only for a few weeks. Nolva gives me worse zits than 4-derm.

09-12-2004, 04:26 PM	#63
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: idaho Posts: 5,379 Photos: 9	I'm starting a 5mg a day 4 week cycle tomorrow with UG labs
	New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf "She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

09-12-2004, 04:47 PM	#66
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I cut back to 10mg/day starting today. This is the last day of my first week, and I am blowing up huge. My swells are enormous and I am putting on some insane mass. Everyone is telling me that I am looking a lot bigger too. I wonder how long it will be before somebody asks me if I am on steroids.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-12-2004, 05:27 PM	#69
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	If I havn't had any hint of signs after the first week, that doesn't mean that I won't have sides at all, does it??? I have had quite the opposite of all the side effects that I have been warned about: my appetite is through the roof(eating every hour and a half), labido through the roof(from 4Derm), no headaches, lots of energy....
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-13-2004, 10:43 PM	#71
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Still no sides after starting into my 2nd week. My swells are still huge and everyone is telling me that I am a lot bigger.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-13-2004, 11:10 PM	#73
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Poor guy...I am feeding him ALA. I don't drink anyways, so that is less for it to deal with. Are there any signs that it might be stressed?
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-12-2004, 01:58 PM	#61
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	I very much doubt anyone will debate this but dropping the dose would be fine. In fact "encouraged" as I'm sure you may have read regarding negative sides. I personnally on my 1st cycle had such lethargy that I was forced to cut back and actually made better gains. I'm sure that was due to the "lack" of lethargy but the point being, cutting the dose to 10 is actually the prescribed amount so do so expecially if it's only been a couple of days.

09-12-2004, 04:09 PM	#62
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 5,750	PP, It is not too late. I backed off during my cycle when I realized that I wasn't getting better gains and just shutting down harder. My gains were just as good when I backed off to 10mg/day again. rrgg, I should have been more specific. I was asking PP & gococksDJS what brand they were using in the same post that I addressed your question.

09-12-2004, 04:48 PM	#67
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Thanks Red

09-12-2004, 05:45 PM	#70
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Perdue, I will say that when I suffered and I mean suffered from lethargy it was almost immediate. 24 hours after 1st dose and I felf like I was hit by a truck. I couldn't get enough sleep. I'd think that if you were going to get some of those types of sides you would have had them already. As for any of the other possibilities I can't say since I didn't have any.

09-13-2004, 11:15 PM	#74
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,221 Photos: 2	Not untill its too late.
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09-16-2004, 12:55 PM	#75
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I may be experiencing the first signs of side effects towards the end of my 2nd week. I have noticed a slight appearance of very tiny whiteheads on my forehead and around my nose. It may also be due to the heat and humidity around here causing my skin to be oily and sweaty. It is by no means a bad case, but it is worth noting, since this is the first side that I have had.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-16-2004, 01:03 PM	#76
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	It could also be a side effect of the 4Derm.
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09-16-2004, 09:53 PM	#78
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,221 Photos: 2
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09-16-2004, 10:09 PM	#79
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Pirate's a little edgy as he goes under the knife tomorrow. Hope that shoulder is okay bro!
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09-17-2004, 01:15 AM	#80
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	here is a question i have had for a while...if methyl 1-test doesnt convert to estogen why should one still watch out for gyno? ? ?
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09-17-2004, 02:56 AM	#81
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	The test in your system can convert to estrogen, but not the M1T directly.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-17-2004, 06:37 AM	#82
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 5,750	Gyno from M1T is extremely rare. If you are particularly prone to gyno and you stack with a bunch of 4-AD, then you have cause to watch for it. Even then, it is rare.

09-17-2004, 10:19 AM	#83
rrgg Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 261	Do you guys think it's equally rare for other PH/PS that don't directly convert? It seems like this wouldn't be an issue without high enough test levels.
rrgg Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 261

09-17-2004, 11:49 PM	#84
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 5,750	I think most cases of gyno with PH/PS involve gross overdosing. When you say "directly convert" do you mean to testosterone? All PH directly convert to something. It is certainly an issue with high enough test levels. The test is what coverts to estrogen--which is usually the cause of gyno.

09-19-2004, 02:29 PM	#87
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I am have reduced my 4Derm dosage to 3 sprays at a time. I think it is the cause of my appearance of whiteheads, though not a major problem. My gains havn't been as drastic as the first week, so I am going to up my M1T dosage up to 15mg.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-19-2004, 03:17 PM	#88
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: idaho Posts: 5,379 Photos: 9	I seem to get ance with 4ad too, i'm not prone to getting acne either.
	New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf "She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

09-19-2004, 05:43 PM	#89
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 5,750	Who gives a fuck about zits? I'd keep the 4-derm up PP. Just wash your face more more often and get a drying agent like benzol peroxide. It is only for a few weeks. Nolva gives me worse zits than 4-derm.