All my M1T research in one post

**Pirate!** · 09-19-2004, 07:05 PM

cool then

Purdue Power · 09-20-2004, 10:39 PM

I think that I have been experiencing a side from M1T the whole time, but didn't know that was what it was from. I thought that I just had some allergies goin, but I have read that some people get a lot of sinus drainage while on M1T. It isn't all day long, but on and off throughout. Other than that, everything is going well. This is my last week(done Sunday) and then I have the 1 1/2 to 2 weeks of 4Derm left, then the long road of kickin my bunnies back into gear. Then the wait to do it all over again!

redspy · 09-20-2004, 11:16 PM

How are your gains so far?

**Pirate!** · 09-21-2004, 08:08 AM

Well, he didn't shit his liver out yet.

Purdue Power · 09-21-2004, 09:31 AM

Qualitatively, my gains have been awesome. Quantitatively, I'm not sure how much weight I have gained. My size has gone way up, with everyone telling me week to week that I look like I am getting a lot bigger. I can't wait to go home to see my family(I am away at college and see them once every other month at most) to see what they have to say. My strength has gone way up. I aim for 5 reps on lifts that I would have never been able to get 3 on, and I get upwards and around 10 reps on them. I just got 405 for 6 on squats yesterday for the first time and I got 225 for 10 on incline bench. It is gonna be a shame to stop the cycle.

Purdue Power · 09-21-2004, 08:55 PM

My strength increases astound me everyday. I benched today and started with 265 hoping to get 5, but would have been satisfied with 3... I got 8 easily. Kept bumping up and on my 4th set, I got 295 for 3, which I have never done. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE your gaining strength while on M1T. I can't wait for my next cycle. This is insane stuff. Still no sides at my last week.

Purdue Power · 09-24-2004, 03:21 AM

Ok...after all of my success with no sides, I think the worst case scenario is setting in for me. My right nipple has been sore for the past day or so but I thought it might be from rubbing on the preacher bench. I have been keeping an eye on it all day, but when I took my shirt of tonight after work, it is a little swollen. Now it might be from messing with it being paranoid all day checking it, but I don't want to take any chances by letting it be. I took 40mg of Nolva just now. I just wanted to know what my options were at this point.
Should I: 1. Dose 40mg Nolva each day and continue on with my last week of M1T (ends this Sunday) and the 2 weeks of 4Derm after that.
2. Stop with the 4Derm and just keep on with the M1T since the 4Derm aromatizes slightly.
3. Start my pct now and stop my M1T and 4Derm.
Immediate input is appreciated!

Purdue Power · 09-24-2004, 08:18 AM

**Pirate!** · 09-24-2004, 08:27 AM

You are paranoid. Quit playing with it and it won't be inflamed. If taking nolva gives you peace of mind, go for it. Otherwise, keep on schedule.

Purdue Power · 09-24-2004, 10:20 AM

It feels like there is an increase in fat deposits behind it too. So should I just keep with the 40mg Nolva ED and finish my program?

**Pirate!** · 09-24-2004, 10:45 AM

Well, is it really itchy and painfully sore if you press directly on it? I seriously doubt you have gyno. You are probably just bloated from the 4-AD. If you look hard enough for something, you will find it--even if it is not there. Finish the program with the nolva. The nolva should help some with the bloat. Read up on gyno symptoms, but don't start believing you have them just because you are so paranoid. If there is true pain and ichiness, then reevaluate your situation. Gyno from this cycle is extremely rare. I didn't even watch for gyno when I did that cycle. The people that worry and watch the most start to believe they have it. Just like the people who watch the sky all night thinking they will see an alien ship. Eventually, they will believe they saw one.

redspy · 09-24-2004, 10:50 AM

Completely agree with Pirate. There are so many horror stories out there which fan the flames of paranoia in this area. The PH/PS combo you're using is highly unlikely to cause gyno. If you're that concerned run Nolva immediately, it's highly effective at dealing with early stage gyno.

Purdue Power · 09-24-2004, 04:00 PM

Well, it is only on my right nipple. Is it possible to get it on just one side or to have the symptoms show up on one side first?

**Pirate!** · 09-24-2004, 05:51 PM

**Pirate!** · 09-24-2004, 05:54 PM

Just kidding. It is possible, but not likely. Does it itch bad, or is it real tender if you press directly on it? Do you feel like watching Titanic and eating a pint of Ben & Jerrys while you cry about your lack of shoes? Run a google search. There are ways of checking for symptoms. I've never had it. I prefer my tits on a hot chick.

gococksDJS · 09-24-2004, 08:09 PM

I say wait a few days and see if it subsides. If you play with your nips a lot, they will get sore so just don't tweak them as much, but if your worried run Nolva

**Pirate!** · 09-24-2004, 08:25 PM

Purdue Power, you will look like this tomorrow: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...83&postcount=4 (gyno from m1t?)

redspy · 09-24-2004, 08:28 PM

His cheerleading lady friend will be really jealous of a set like that.

PreMier · 09-24-2004, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Purdue Power, you will look like this tomorrow: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...83&postcount=4 (gyno from m1t?)

Sweet jesus! WTF!?

redspy · 09-24-2004, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

Sweet jesus! WTF!?

When you have boobs bigger than your girlfriend you're in trouble.

**Pirate!** · 09-24-2004, 08:53 PM

Your thread has been hijacked, PP!

Purdue Power · 09-25-2004, 06:17 AM

It was paranoia coupled with water retention and fat deposits from my intent bulk cycle. The soreness stemmed from the preacher bench. All is well. Sorry about the spaz and thanks for the help. Still good gains going. 3 more days on the M1T then the 2 weeks of 4Derm.

**Pirate!** · 09-25-2004, 03:00 PM

I'm not surpirsed, but glad to hear it. Don't forget to post those before and after pics.

Purdue Power · 09-25-2004, 04:14 PM

I didn't take any pics, I wish that I would have. But I have put on about 15lbs and everyone tells me that I am looking thick as hell. Modesty aside, I am looking pretty freakin huge after this cycle. I noticed today that a few of my lymph nodes are swollen and my sinus drainage continues, but other than that, no side effects.

babylon · 09-25-2004, 06:45 PM

hi all,
i just read that methyl1testerone and metandrostenolone are drastically simular. Metandrostenolone is the active ingredient of a steroid called Dianabol. The recommended dose for it 40-60mg a day, so I guess my question is has anyone experimented with high doses of m1t? 40mg+?

**Pirate!** · 09-25-2004, 07:56 PM

Whoever reccomended you take 40-60 mg MD a day (if that is what you are saying) is an idot and an asshole for advising people on something he knows nothing about. 40 mg day of dianabol is reasonable, though.

babylon · 09-26-2004, 12:30 AM

no i am saying that the active components of dianabol and m1t are very simular. AND SINCE the recommended dose of dianabol is 40-60mg a day, why take such a low dose of m1t?

brodus · 09-26-2004, 01:09 AM

Because M1T is a hell of a lot more potent than Dianabol...I'd say 10mg. of M1t = 30mg. Dianabol.

Purdue Power · 09-26-2004, 04:02 AM

I had another awesome day from the M1T. My previous sets for bench when I did 3x5 was using 250. Today I did 3x5 with 295. Unfortunately, Mon is my last day on the M1T, then the ~2 weeks of solo 4Derm. This has been an awesome ride. Can't wait to do it again.

firestorm · 09-26-2004, 09:46 AM

DAMN... that is awesome!!! What a drastic jump!! Gotta love Chemical assistance!!!

09-20-2004, 10:39 PM	#92
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I think that I have been experiencing a side from M1T the whole time, but didn't know that was what it was from. I thought that I just had some allergies goin, but I have read that some people get a lot of sinus drainage while on M1T. It isn't all day long, but on and off throughout. Other than that, everything is going well. This is my last week(done Sunday) and then I have the 1 1/2 to 2 weeks of 4Derm left, then the long road of kickin my bunnies back into gear. Then the wait to do it all over again! 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-21-2004, 09:31 AM	#95
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Qualitatively, my gains have been awesome. Quantitatively, I'm not sure how much weight I have gained. My size has gone way up, with everyone telling me week to week that I look like I am getting a lot bigger. I can't wait to go home to see my family(I am away at college and see them once every other month at most) to see what they have to say. My strength has gone way up. I aim for 5 reps on lifts that I would have never been able to get 3 on, and I get upwards and around 10 reps on them. I just got 405 for 6 on squats yesterday for the first time and I got 225 for 10 on incline bench. It is gonna be a shame to stop the cycle. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-21-2004, 08:55 PM	#96
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	My strength increases astound me everyday. I benched today and started with 265 hoping to get 5, but would have been satisfied with 3... I got 8 easily. Kept bumping up and on my 4th set, I got 295 for 3, which I have never done. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE your gaining strength while on M1T. I can't wait for my next cycle. This is insane stuff. Still no sides at my last week. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-24-2004, 03:21 AM	#97
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Ok...after all of my success with no sides, I think the worst case scenario is setting in for me. My right nipple has been sore for the past day or so but I thought it might be from rubbing on the preacher bench. I have been keeping an eye on it all day, but when I took my shirt of tonight after work, it is a little swollen. Now it might be from messing with it being paranoid all day checking it, but I don't want to take any chances by letting it be. I took 40mg of Nolva just now. I just wanted to know what my options were at this point. Should I: 1. Dose 40mg Nolva each day and continue on with my last week of M1T (ends this Sunday) and the 2 weeks of 4Derm after that. 2. Stop with the 4Derm and just keep on with the M1T since the 4Derm aromatizes slightly. 3. Start my pct now and stop my M1T and 4Derm. Immediate input is appreciated! 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-24-2004, 08:18 AM	#98
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	bump 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-19-2004, 07:05 PM	#91
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	cool then

09-20-2004, 11:16 PM	#93
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	How are your gains so far?

09-21-2004, 08:08 AM	#94
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	Well, he didn't shit his liver out yet.

09-24-2004, 08:27 AM	#99
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	You are paranoid. Quit playing with it and it won't be inflamed. If taking nolva gives you peace of mind, go for it. Otherwise, keep on schedule. Last edited by Pirate! : 09-24-2004 at 10:39 AM.

09-24-2004, 10:20 AM	#100
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	It feels like there is an increase in fat deposits behind it too. So should I just keep with the 40mg Nolva ED and finish my program? 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-24-2004, 10:45 AM	#101
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	Well, is it really itchy and painfully sore if you press directly on it? I seriously doubt you have gyno. You are probably just bloated from the 4-AD. If you look hard enough for something, you will find it--even if it is not there. Finish the program with the nolva. The nolva should help some with the bloat. Read up on gyno symptoms, but don't start believing you have them just because you are so paranoid. If there is true pain and ichiness, then reevaluate your situation. Gyno from this cycle is extremely rare. I didn't even watch for gyno when I did that cycle. The people that worry and watch the most start to believe they have it. Just like the people who watch the sky all night thinking they will see an alien ship. Eventually, they will believe they saw one. My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-24-2004, 10:50 AM	#102
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Completely agree with Pirate. There are so many horror stories out there which fan the flames of paranoia in this area. The PH/PS combo you're using is highly unlikely to cause gyno. If you're that concerned run Nolva immediately, it's highly effective at dealing with early stage gyno.

09-24-2004, 04:00 PM	#103
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Well, it is only on my right nipple. Is it possible to get it on just one side or to have the symptoms show up on one side first? 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-24-2004, 05:51 PM	#104
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-24-2004, 05:54 PM	#105
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	Just kidding. It is possible, but not likely. Does it itch bad, or is it real tender if you press directly on it? Do you feel like watching Titanic and eating a pint of Ben & Jerrys while you cry about your lack of shoes? Run a google search. There are ways of checking for symptoms. I've never had it. I prefer my tits on a hot chick. My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-24-2004, 08:09 PM	#106
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,000	I say wait a few days and see if it subsides. If you play with your nips a lot, they will get sore so just don't tweak them as much, but if your worried run Nolva

09-24-2004, 08:25 PM	#107
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	Purdue Power, you will look like this tomorrow: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...83&postcount=4 (gyno from m1t?) My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-24-2004, 08:28 PM	#108
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	His cheerleading lady friend will be really jealous of a set like that.

09-24-2004, 08:53 PM	#111
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	Your thread has been hijacked, PP!

09-25-2004, 06:17 AM	#112
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	It was paranoia coupled with water retention and fat deposits from my intent bulk cycle. The soreness stemmed from the preacher bench. All is well. Sorry about the spaz and thanks for the help. Still good gains going. 3 more days on the M1T then the 2 weeks of 4Derm. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-25-2004, 03:00 PM	#113
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	I'm not surpirsed, but glad to hear it. Don't forget to post those before and after pics. My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-25-2004, 04:14 PM	#114
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I didn't take any pics, I wish that I would have. But I have put on about 15lbs and everyone tells me that I am looking thick as hell. Modesty aside, I am looking pretty freakin huge after this cycle. I noticed today that a few of my lymph nodes are swollen and my sinus drainage continues, but other than that, no side effects. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-25-2004, 06:45 PM	#115
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	hi all, i just read that methyl1testerone and metandrostenolone are drastically simular. Metandrostenolone is the active ingredient of a steroid called Dianabol. The recommended dose for it 40-60mg a day, so I guess my question is has anyone experimented with high doses of m1t? 40mg+?

09-25-2004, 07:56 PM	#116
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	Whoever reccomended you take 40-60 mg MD a day (if that is what you are saying) is an idot and an asshole for advising people on something he knows nothing about. 40 mg day of dianabol is reasonable, though. My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-26-2004, 12:30 AM	#117
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	no i am saying that the active components of dianabol and m1t are very simular. AND SINCE the recommended dose of dianabol is 40-60mg a day, why take such a low dose of m1t?

09-26-2004, 01:09 AM	#118
brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	Because M1T is a hell of a lot more potent than Dianabol...I'd say 10mg. of M1t = 30mg. Dianabol. Graham Cousens Band My Space http://www.flymantell.com http://www.bifunkal.com http://www.livebandkaraokechicago.com http://www.worldclassnoise.com

09-26-2004, 04:02 AM	#119
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I had another awesome day from the M1T. My previous sets for bench when I did 3x5 was using 250. Today I did 3x5 with 295. Unfortunately, Mon is my last day on the M1T, then the ~2 weeks of solo 4Derm. This has been an awesome ride. Can't wait to do it again. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-26-2004, 09:46 AM	#120
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	DAMN... that is awesome!!! What a drastic jump!! Gotta love Chemical assistance!!!

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