All my M1T research in one post

babylon · 09-26-2004, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brodus

Because M1T is a hell of a lot more potent than Dianabol...I'd say 10mg. of M1t = 30mg. Dianabol.

hmmm...then why is dianabol illegal, and m1t is an over the counter supplement?

Du · 09-26-2004, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babylon

hmmm...then why is dianabol illegal, and m1t is an over the counter supplement?

wait a couple months, it wont be

d-bol has been around forever, it was out when steroids became illegal. m1t wasnt.

Purdue Power · 09-26-2004, 09:30 PM

1-test wasn't banned when the steroid ban took effect. It will be illegal pretty soon though. Noone has any clue when though. For the past couple years, everyone keeps saying "it will be in the next couple months", but all those next couple months keep going by and it is still legal. Last I heard someone say it would be banned by September for sure, by the time the Olympics were going on. Nope- still here.

babylon · 09-26-2004, 10:04 PM

this is sort of off topic. I am thinking of running clen after my m1t cycle as I've heard its key to keeping the gains. Is this true? Will i see decent gains from it as well? From what i have read its pretty safe, and considering its price i dont see a reason not to take it...

Purdue Power · 09-26-2004, 10:37 PM

I am planning on running clen the first 2 weeks of my pct to help get rid of some of my water retention and my fat stores from bulking. You won't get gains from it, but you will cut down well while you have to keep your food intake up during your pct.

Purdue Power · 10-02-2004, 02:06 AM

How much of my nuts' size should I expect to get back after pct?

I guess this is a sign of how much I am shut down. I am throwing in some 6OXO while I am on my last 2 weeks of 4Derm to give them a head start before I start the Nolva and Tribulus

.

**Pirate!** · 10-02-2004, 08:15 AM

I wouldn't try to lose fat during PCT. The clen is a great idea to help keep your muscle, but you should be eating bulking, not maintenance, calories. The idea is to keep all the muscle and not put on fat. During PCT--especially the first two weeks--your body's hormonal chemistry is way off. This included cortisol and others, not just test. This imbalance of hormones can put your body into a more catabolic state. Clen is the best way to eat enough to retain your muscles without adding fat. If you try to shed pounds during the first couple weeks of PCT, you could lose a surprising amount of muscle. This was my experience before I knew better. At least wait three weeks into PCT to cut calories down to maintenance, or do it very gradually. Just don't go into diet/cut mode at all.

Purdue Power · 10-11-2004, 11:48 AM

I just started my Nolva yesterday. The 2 extra weeks of 4Derm went well, but I won't know for awhile if it helps my nuts kick back into gear. I took 3caps of 6OXO each night while I was on it, just for good measure. I am doing a 50/40/30/20 dosage with my Nolva, since it is liquid. I am probably going to start some Clen tonight. I am going to continue my bulk diet well through my pct and start cutting towards the end of the year. I am planning on doing my first competition around March. I will start a Methyl-Dien cycle shortly after the first of the year, probably. Or once I sit down and figure out all of my timing, I might get another M1T cycle in and wait on the Methyl-Dien.

Purdue Power · 10-11-2004, 11:49 AM

And just incase anyone has been living in a hole, the prohormone ban passes the senate and is awaiting being signed into law by the president. There has been one that wasn't banned, but after reading the entire text of the bill, I don't know which one it is.

**Pirate!** · 10-11-2004, 02:35 PM

Did you make any gains over these last 2 weeks? How has the libido been?

Purdue Power · 10-11-2004, 03:03 PM

My size kept going up, but my strength didn't. My labido was decent, but not as much as it was when I first started. That was due solely to the fact that my natural test production was still in full swing.

**Pirate!** · 10-11-2004, 03:23 PM

Size = acorns, walnuts or eggs?

Purdue Power · 10-11-2004, 03:46 PM

If you are asking how my nuts are doing, they are still markedly smaller

. I am not sure if that is what you are asking, please clarify.

**Pirate!** · 10-11-2004, 03:50 PM

Yeah, that is what I was asking. I didn't have that problem on cycle, but they shrunk during PCT. They didn't hang as low either. I did a little HCG and things were back to normal in no time. I won't touch M1T without HCG in the future. Sounds like you made some significant gains. Good luck with the recovery.

Purdue Power · 10-11-2004, 08:30 PM

So I can do HCG after my cycle? I really know nothing about HCG.

Purdue Power · 10-11-2004, 08:41 PM

Well, I just read all about it and know how it works and what it does, but if I need it for...say...rats in an experiment, like with their Nolva, could I get it like that?

justin22 · 10-11-2004, 10:27 PM

So you guys are saying if i took m1t..keep in mind im 14 and 1/2 and take Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection i should be ok? what about 60x0 or what ever with just the Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection?

Du · 10-11-2004, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin22

So you guys are saying if i took m1t..keep in mind im 14 and 1/2 and take Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection i should be ok? what about 60x0 or what ever with just the Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection?

Are you serious?

gococksDJS · 10-11-2004, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin22

So you guys are saying if i took m1t..keep in mind im 14 and 1/2 and take Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection i should be ok? what about 60x0 or what ever with just the Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection?

I sure hope this is a joke. You really need to wait about 7 years before even thinking about touching something like M1T. It is a pro-steroid. You need to read up on supplements my man.

justin22 · 10-11-2004, 11:10 PM

well what about the 60x0 they sell it at gnc? and if i took the Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection with that?

justin22 · 10-11-2004, 11:11 PM

its better than tons of kids at my h.s including 13 yr oldes injecting it in there ass'es

redspy · 10-11-2004, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin22

its better than tons of kids at my h.s including 13 yr oldes injecting it in there ass'es

Look bro, just give it up before you do some serious harm. Just because your 13 yr old friends are screwing themselves up doesn't mean you have to. Quit the lemming mentality.

justin22 · 10-11-2004, 11:29 PM

OK last stuiped ass q. from me..can 60x0 really fuk me up with the Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection? i have gone through one bottle of pump tech yea im retarted b.c of mucsletech..and i have gone through one bottle of no2 with no gains!! yes im dumb for buying those but it says must be 18 or older? i took them with no side effects at all?

Purdue Power · 10-11-2004, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin22

its better than tons of kids at my h.s including 13 yr oldes injecting it in there ass'es

Ya, well drinking yourself retarded every day and night is better than smoking crack, but you don't see us advocating here, do you. Don't touch the shit. If you learn how to lift and eat right, you will be bigger than any of them on whatever they are on.

justin22 · 10-11-2004, 11:34 PM

Ok!!! but would u been kind enough to explain 60x0 to me..? b.c i was really thinkin abuot taking that instead of roids!! so please help me out? if u dont mind

redspy · 10-11-2004, 11:37 PM

Taking 6-OXO will do nothing for you whatsoever. It's designed for kickstarting your testosterone after a cycle of PHs.

justin22 · 10-11-2004, 11:40 PM

It wont boost my testosterone at all? i was thinkin about just taking it and not full dose

redspy · 10-11-2004, 11:44 PM

Again, it will nothing for you whatsoever, except perhaps upset the balance of your hormones. At your age your testosterone levels are already high, these type of supplements won't increase those levels.

justin22 · 10-11-2004, 11:45 PM

Then whats up with all these kids takin roids and then seein 4 pounds of muscle in one week?

redspy · 10-11-2004, 11:49 PM

Well, think about the price of that 4lbs of steroid induced muscle - stunted growth, a limp noodle, liver problems, hairloss, acne, infections from poor injecting hygiene etc etc. Do you really think it's worth it?

09-26-2004, 09:30 PM	#123
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	1-test wasn't banned when the steroid ban took effect. It will be illegal pretty soon though. Noone has any clue when though. For the past couple years, everyone keeps saying "it will be in the next couple months", but all those next couple months keep going by and it is still legal. Last I heard someone say it would be banned by September for sure, by the time the Olympics were going on. Nope- still here. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-26-2004, 10:37 PM	#125
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I am planning on running clen the first 2 weeks of my pct to help get rid of some of my water retention and my fat stores from bulking. You won't get gains from it, but you will cut down well while you have to keep your food intake up during your pct. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

10-02-2004, 02:06 AM	#126
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	How much of my nuts' size should I expect to get back after pct? I guess this is a sign of how much I am shut down. I am throwing in some 6OXO while I am on my last 2 weeks of 4Derm to give them a head start before I start the Nolva and Tribulus . 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

10-02-2004, 08:15 AM	#127
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	I wouldn't try to lose fat during PCT. The clen is a great idea to help keep your muscle, but you should be eating bulking, not maintenance, calories. The idea is to keep all the muscle and not put on fat. During PCT--especially the first two weeks--your body's hormonal chemistry is way off. This included cortisol and others, not just test. This imbalance of hormones can put your body into a more catabolic state. Clen is the best way to eat enough to retain your muscles without adding fat. If you try to shed pounds during the first couple weeks of PCT, you could lose a surprising amount of muscle. This was my experience before I knew better. At least wait three weeks into PCT to cut calories down to maintenance, or do it very gradually. Just don't go into diet/cut mode at all. My 1-Andro RX Journal

10-11-2004, 11:48 AM	#128
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I just started my Nolva yesterday. The 2 extra weeks of 4Derm went well, but I won't know for awhile if it helps my nuts kick back into gear. I took 3caps of 6OXO each night while I was on it, just for good measure. I am doing a 50/40/30/20 dosage with my Nolva, since it is liquid. I am probably going to start some Clen tonight. I am going to continue my bulk diet well through my pct and start cutting towards the end of the year. I am planning on doing my first competition around March. I will start a Methyl-Dien cycle shortly after the first of the year, probably. Or once I sit down and figure out all of my timing, I might get another M1T cycle in and wait on the Methyl-Dien. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

09-26-2004, 10:04 PM	#124
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	this is sort of off topic. I am thinking of running clen after my m1t cycle as I've heard its key to keeping the gains. Is this true? Will i see decent gains from it as well? From what i have read its pretty safe, and considering its price i dont see a reason not to take it...

10-11-2004, 11:49 AM	#129
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	And just incase anyone has been living in a hole, the prohormone ban passes the senate and is awaiting being signed into law by the president. There has been one that wasn't banned, but after reading the entire text of the bill, I don't know which one it is. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

10-11-2004, 02:35 PM	#130
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	Did you make any gains over these last 2 weeks? How has the libido been? My 1-Andro RX Journal

10-11-2004, 03:03 PM	#131
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	My size kept going up, but my strength didn't. My labido was decent, but not as much as it was when I first started. That was due solely to the fact that my natural test production was still in full swing. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

10-11-2004, 03:23 PM	#132
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	Size = acorns, walnuts or eggs? My 1-Andro RX Journal

10-11-2004, 03:46 PM	#133
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	If you are asking how my nuts are doing, they are still markedly smaller. I am not sure if that is what you are asking, please clarify. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

10-11-2004, 03:50 PM	#134
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	Yeah, that is what I was asking. I didn't have that problem on cycle, but they shrunk during PCT. They didn't hang as low either. I did a little HCG and things were back to normal in no time. I won't touch M1T without HCG in the future. Sounds like you made some significant gains. Good luck with the recovery. My 1-Andro RX Journal

10-11-2004, 08:30 PM	#135
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	So I can do HCG after my cycle? I really know nothing about HCG. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

10-11-2004, 08:41 PM	#136
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Well, I just read all about it and know how it works and what it does, but if I need it for...say...rats in an experiment, like with their Nolva, could I get it like that? 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

10-11-2004, 10:27 PM	#137
justin22 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 81	So you guys are saying if i took m1t..keep in mind im 14 and 1/2 and take Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection i should be ok? what about 60x0 or what ever with just the Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection?

10-11-2004, 11:10 PM	#140
justin22 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 81	well what about the 60x0 they sell it at gnc? and if i took the Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection with that?

10-11-2004, 11:11 PM	#141
justin22 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 81	its better than tons of kids at my h.s including 13 yr oldes injecting it in there ass'es

10-11-2004, 11:29 PM	#143
justin22 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 81	OK last stuiped ass q. from me..can 60x0 really fuk me up with the Alpha Lipoic Acid for liver protection? i have gone through one bottle of pump tech yea im retarted b.c of mucsletech..and i have gone through one bottle of no2 with no gains!! yes im dumb for buying those but it says must be 18 or older? i took them with no side effects at all?

10-11-2004, 11:34 PM	#145
justin22 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 81	Ok!!! but would u been kind enough to explain 60x0 to me..? b.c i was really thinkin abuot taking that instead of roids!! so please help me out? if u dont mind

10-11-2004, 11:37 PM	#146
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Taking 6-OXO will do nothing for you whatsoever. It's designed for kickstarting your testosterone after a cycle of PHs.

10-11-2004, 11:40 PM	#147
justin22 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 81	It wont boost my testosterone at all? i was thinkin about just taking it and not full dose

10-11-2004, 11:44 PM	#148
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Again, it will nothing for you whatsoever, except perhaps upset the balance of your hormones. At your age your testosterone levels are already high, these type of supplements won't increase those levels.

10-11-2004, 11:45 PM	#149
justin22 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 81	Then whats up with all these kids takin roids and then seein 4 pounds of muscle in one week?

10-11-2004, 11:49 PM	#150
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Well, think about the price of that 4lbs of steroid induced muscle - stunted growth, a limp noodle, liver problems, hairloss, acne, infections from poor injecting hygiene etc etc. Do you really think it's worth it?

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