Thread: mix of PH's and AS

if you have access to real gear there is no real point in using PH's.

although M1T is an anabolic steroid if I were willing to take the risk and use real juice I would not bother with M1T, especially with how toxic it is.

This is a subject I am interested in, too. I have considered that stack, since I have a bunch of that stuff sitting around. I would definitely use either tamoxifen citrate or femera on cycle, not exceed 4 weeks on, and not drink alcohol on cycle or PCT. I am interested in hearing the experiences of anyone who has stacked PH/PS with AS.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

if you have access to real gear there is no real point in using PH's.

Exactly

I don't even want to use M1-T as example because I can just imagine the strain it will put on the liver on top of say Dbol and androl50(spell) or something like that but even something from the PH family to replace the injection of test but still want the gain from the Dbol and other oral AS that are avail to me. Now that I think about it, I would like to try it but before I even concider so much 'd like to hear some input and some idean from you guys also with the up's and downs that I may come across. any information will be of big help, if Prince would like to also make this post come to life in the anabolic section that would be nice

if you are scared of injections then stay away from eth steroids, period. don't pussy foot around the situation. if you are gonna do it, do it right

still that helps me non in answering my question, I know that I'll get much better results but no injections for me, not for a long time as far as I know, I have a phobia on needles, makes me kinf of sick thinking about injections, and doing it to my self

Tribal, there are many people over at anabolicminds.com that do these types of stacks and would be more helpful in answering your questions--as opposed to telling you that it is pointless.

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Tribal, there are many people over at anabolicminds.com that do these types of stacks and would be more helpful in answering your questions--as opposed to telling you that it is pointless.

please explain the point to us then, cause I do not see it.

if I had the choice of injecting real testosterone or any other anabolic steroid, why in the hell would I mess around with any methylated orals, or any pro-hormones?

There are many reasons.

People use transdermal fina, all the time. Likewise, people combine injectible and oral (illegal) steroids for various reasons.

If one did not want to inject, but did not care about legality, I think a transdermal 1-test and d-bol combo would work nicely. I would not use 4-diol and d-bol together, however.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

if I had the choice of injecting real testosterone or any other anabolic steroid, why in the hell would I mess around with any methylated orals, or any pro-hormones?

This is a question you should answer, Prince. YOU do have the choice (access), yet you chose to use PH/PS over AAS.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

please explain the point to us then, cause I do not see it.

if I had the choice of injecting real testosterone or any other anabolic steroid, why in the hell would I mess around with any methylated orals, or any pro-hormones?

B/c as the original poster mentioned, he is afraid of needles. This is not an uncommon phobia and one I have myself. I HATE those freaking things! This would be a serious problem for me if I were a steroid user b/c I don't even let them give me novacaine at the dentist! LOL!

I agree with TP that a transdermal could be a good way to get around injections and could be combined with an oral steroid, but if I were to go this route I would probably do short cycles of something like Dbol with Anavar and not bother with any PHs.

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

This is a question you should answer, Prince. YOU do have the choice (access), yet you chose to use PH/PS over AAS.

I value my freedom.

I used M1t to jumpstart a test prop cycle, and it worked extremely well for me. I used the m1t in place of dbol since I had a bunch of it on hand. I doubt if I'll do that again however. I have no proof, but I suspect m1t is more liver toxic then other 17aa oral steroids.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I value my freedom.

That is the best damn reason I can imagine.

what would a good oral test be, I guess I can go the transdermal route but I'd rather not, I share a bed with my girlfriend. Also, I was wondering if I ever did get over the extreme fear of injections would it be possible to use a topical anastetic to totally numb the injection site, will this be safe at all?

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

I used M1t to jumpstart a test prop cycle, and it worked extremely well for me. I used the m1t in place of dbol since I had a bunch of it on hand.

I think this would be a good alternative for someone prone to gyno.

can you be more specific with that, I think I'm prone to gyno so what will be best for me, can you guys suggest some test proudcts to look at other that the M1-T for a sub for the Test in combination with dbol or androl50(spelling?) I want to keep my gains as much as I can, I know this depend on my PCT as well as other things. I know weight will have alot of drastic changes due to water but I'd take Nolva throughout the whole cycle to combat the bloat that come along with dbol or drol50 and continue with Nolva for atleast 4 weeks after cycle ends. sound close, I'm not a pro at all but I have done a fair bit of reading but I still need answers to alot of questions, I do second guess my self alot

Originally Posted by Tribal

what would a good oral test be, I guess I can go the transdermal route but I'd rather not, I share a bed with my girlfriend. Also, I was wondering if I ever did get over the extreme fear of injections would it be possible to use a topical anastetic to totally numb the injection site, will this be safe at all?

It may seem hard to believe, but injecting is child's play. Trust me, I was scared to death to do my first injection. After doing it, you will be amazed that it DOES NOT HURT. A typically used 25g pin is about 1/64th of an inch wide, and ultra sharp. You barely feel it going in. Now depending on the quality of the testosterone you inject and the BA content, it WILL be sore the next day. Feels like a small bruise that lasts a day or two.

The liver quickly destroys testosterone with oral ingestion. Transdermal is decent, but about 95% of the test is wasted, plus it is based largely on DHT conversion (androgel), which can be a bad thing. Injection is the most efficient, and believe or not, safest way to administer testosterone. Why do you think doctors and hospitals use injectables for a large variety of drugs?

whats the best test for a starter? cyp? about 300-500mgweek seems about normal from what I read.

500mg/wk of test cyp or enanthate for 10-12 weeks is ideal. Since these are long esters, they take about 4 weeks to kick in. So for the first 4 weeks, 25-30mg of dbol ed is a good choice.

so for a cycle that long I'm worrying about PCT, Will Nolva be enough. I Don't know what else I have avail to me other than that. I'll look but what else will I have to have as a must?