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Oxavar stack with 1-AD?
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09-08-2004, 08:28 AM #1Registered User
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Oxavar stack with 1-AD?
I've read its important to stack 1-Testosterone (1-AD) with a Nor-Testosterone product (19nor) to keep anabolic levels raised for longer periods = for example Ergopharm's Norandrodiol Select 300 (19-nor-4-androstenediol).
Question - could I stack 1-AD with Oxavar (17a-methyl-3-keto-19-norandrostene-4,17-diol) to get the same benefits??
Thanks for your advice
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09-10-2004, 10:39 AM #3I'm CEO, Bitch! ADMINISTRATOR
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I know some say that they get better results with 1-AD than 1-Test, but I prefer striaght 1-Test transdermal myself.
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the reason being 4/ad is important to stack with 1-test is for libido. M4ohn will not do that as it is entirely different substance and will shut you down further and not a good idea.
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Are you saying M4OHN will shut you down more than 1-Test/4-AD? Or are you saying it will cause a greater loss of libido?
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I have mentioned many times that ANY androgen will suppress natural test production, some more than others. I haven't tried M4OHN, so I really don't know the effects to libido. But I don't think it is good. Fina is very hard on libido and thus this is why Test is recommended to take with it. Without having to go back and rersearch, M4ohn and 4/ad may have some Progesterone activity??
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I've seen a couple of posts which suggest increased Progesterone when taking M1T and 4-AD. From the cycle logs I've seen M4OHN has very mixed reviews. M4OHN for cutting cycles appears to be effective, particularly when combined with M5AA.
Originally Posted by dg806
A safe bet is something like you said, a 1-Test/4-AD transdermal, like S1+.
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Robert- Could you elaborate on why you like to omit 4ad? Is it that you're not bothered by lethargy of 1-test alone and make better gains that way? Or some other reason?I know some say that they get better results with 1-AD than 1-Test, but I prefer striaght 1-Test transdermal myself.
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09-10-2004, 04:09 PM #9Gatekepper ELITE MEMBER
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I thought he was just saying he prefers transdermal 1-Test to 1-AD. Then again, he did say straight. The only reason I can think of why one would not want any 4-AD with their 1-T is to avoid bloat. Originally Posted by rrgg
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