See what ya all think?

Martinogdenbsx · 09-21-2004, 02:18 PM

Is this okay to do

2 protein shakes per day
Glutamine
Platinum(weight gainer)
and i am going to do 2 weeks on creatine and 2 weeks off it

What do you think,is it alright to take this is their side effects?

Chris

Luke9583 · 09-21-2004, 02:41 PM

Glutamine is GREAT stuff, you'll gain at least 45 lbs of muscle in a month. But I hope you don't mind losing your hair.

Luke9583 · 09-21-2004, 02:43 PM

why are you cycling creatine? Read more man, use the search button

it worked for me

be more specific on the contents of the weight gainer and the whey that you are using... if it is whey. You're not giving us much info dude

It's important to know 'when' you need the protein too. I reccomend you spend a week over in the diet forum and go to the book store to get some good books

SPIKE1257 · 09-21-2004, 02:49 PM

I never heard of negative side effects for any of the things you listed.. And like Luke said, why are you cycling creatine.. Two weeks on and two weeks off, you're wasting your money.

Martinogdenbsx · 09-21-2004, 03:00 PM

look here dudes
btw you being serious about loosing your hair with glutamine???????

http://www.lamuscle.com/warp/navigate.php3?d=archive&o=

check it out says you should use it for short periods

this is the protein i will be using http://www.lamuscle.com/warp/navigate.php3?d=products&o=

This is the platinum(weight gainer) http://www.lamuscle.com/warp/navigate.php3?d=products&o=

This is the creatine http://www.lamuscle.com/warp/navigate.php3?d=products&o=

And this is the glutamine http://www.lamuscle.com/warp/navigate.php3?d=products&o=

What dya think?

Chris

mark gabrielli · 09-21-2004, 03:16 PM

You won't lose your hair using glutamine. Use the creatine for about 8 weeks, then stop for about the same. Your body makes creatine naturally, so you don't want it to stop making it on its own because your supplying it artificially for a long period of time. This is what I've read and been told anyway.

Martinogdenbsx · 09-21-2004, 03:17 PM

fair enough gonna be hard having all tose supplements but worth it

How long before i notice a difference do you think?

Chris

redspy · 09-21-2004, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark gabrielli

Use the creatine for about 8 weeks, then stop for about the same. Your body makes creatine naturally, so you don't want it to stop making it on its own because your supplying it artificially for a long period of time. This is what I've read and been told anyway.

This is completely wrong. A lot of people take creatine every day for years. Cycling creatine is an old fashioned idea and recent studies have shown it's unnecessary.

redspy · 09-21-2004, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinogdenbsx

fair enough gonna be hard having all tose supplements but worth it

How long before i notice a difference do you think?

Chris

Before you spend money on Glutamine run a search on pubmed.com and other research sites. Currently I'm taking glutamine peptides and have used l-glutamine in the past but I'm beginning to question its effectiveness after reading more and more studies. Some people report great results and enhanced recovery etc but check out these studies for example:-

Quote:

Effect of glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults.

Candow DG, Chilibeck PD, Burke DG, Davison KS, Smith-Palmer T.

College of Kinesiology, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada.

The purpose of this study was to assess the effect of oral glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults. A group of 31 subjects, aged 18-24 years, were randomly allocated to groups (double blind) to receive either glutamine (0.9 g x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 17) or a placebo (0.9 g maltodextrin x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 14 during 6 weeks of total body resistance training. Exercises were performed for four to five sets of 6-12 repetitions at intensities ranging from 60% to 90% 1 repetition maximum (1 RM). Before and after training, measurements were taken of 1 RM squat and bench press strength, peak knee extension torque (using an isokinetic dynamometer), lean tissue mass (dual energy X-ray absorptiometry) and muscle protein degradation (urinary 3-methylhistidine by high performance liquid chromatography). Repeated measures ANOVA showed that strength, torque, lean tissue mass and 3-methylhistidine increased with training (P < 0.05), with no significant difference between groups. Both groups increased their 1 RM squat by approximately 30% and 1 RM bench press by approximately 14%. The glutamine group showed increases of 6% for knee extension torque, 2% for lean tissue mass and 41% for urinary levels of 3-methylhistidine. The placebo group increased knee extension torque by 5%, lean tissue mass by 1.7% and 3-methylhistidine by 56%. We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.

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J Strength Cond Res 2002 Feb;16(1):157-60
The effects of high-dose glutamine ingestion on weightlifting performance

Antonio J, Sanders MS, Kalman D, Woodgate D, Street C.

Sports Science Laboratory, University of Delaware, Newark, Delaware 19716, USA.

The purpose of this study was to determine if high-dose glutamine ingestion affected weightlifting performance. In a double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover study, 6 resistance-trained men (mean +/- SE: age, 21.5 +/- 0.3 years; weight, 76.5 +/- 2.8 kg(-1)) performed weightlifting exercises after the ingestion of glutamine or glycine (0.3 g x kg(-1)) mixed with calorie-free fruit juice or placebo (calorie-free fruit juice only). Each subject underwent each of the 3 treatments in a randomized order. One hour after ingestion, subjects performed 4 total sets of exercise to momentary muscular failure (2 sets of leg presses at 200% of body weight, 2 sets of bench presses at 100% of body weight). There were no differences in the average number of maximal repetitions performed in the leg press or bench press exercises among the 3 groups. These data indicate that the short-term ingestion of glutamine does not enhance weightlifting performance in resistance-trained men.

Int J Sports Med 2000 Jan;21(1):25-30 Related Articles, Links

The effect of free glutamine and peptide ingestion on the rate of muscle glycogen resynthesis in man.

van Hall G, Saris WH, van de Schoor PA, Wagenmakers AJ.

Department of Human Biology, Maastricht University, The Netherlands. RH01769@RH.DK

The present study investigated previous claims that ingestion of glutamine and of protein-carbohydrate mixtures may increase the rate of glycogen resynthesis following intense exercise. Eight trained subjects were studied during 3 h of recovery while consuming one of four drinks in random order. Drinks were ingested in three 500 ml boluses, immediately after exercise and then after 1 and 2 h of recovery. Each bolus of the control drink contained 0.8 g x kg(-1) body weight of glucose. The other drinks contained the same amount of glucose and 0.3 g x kg(-1) body weight of 1) glutamine, 2) a wheat hydrolysate (26% glutamine) and 3) a whey hydrolysate (6.6% glutamine). Plasma glutamine, decreased by approximately 20% during recovery with ingestion of the control drink, no changes with ingestion of the protein hydrolysates drinks, and a 2-fold increase with ingestion of the free glutamine drinks. The rate of glycogen resynthesis was not significantly different in the four tests: 28 +/- 5, 26 +/- 6, 33 +/- 4, and 34 +/- 3 mmol glucosyl units x kg(-1) dry weight muscle x h(-1) for the control, glutamine, wheat- and whey hydrolysate ingestion, respectively. It is concluded that ingestion of a glutamine/carbohydrate mixture does not increase the rate of glycogen resynthesis in muscle. Glycogen resynthesis rates were higher, although not statistically significant, after ingestion of the drink containing the wheat (21 +/- 8%) and whey protein hydrolysate (20 +/- 6%) compared to ingestion of the control and free glutamine drinks, implying that further research is needed on the potential

Martinogdenbsx · 09-21-2004, 04:03 PM

so what does everyone wreckon i shud take then?

Luke9583 · 09-21-2004, 04:14 PM

a proper diet, and a kick in the arse

Martinogdenbsx · 09-21-2004, 04:19 PM

cheers for that very constructive

Martinogdenbsx · 09-21-2004, 04:20 PM

fuck it i am gonna take creatine,glutamine,whey protein,platinum

redspy · 09-21-2004, 04:28 PM

Dude, that's an impressive snake in your gallery. He's really cut.

Luke9583 · 09-21-2004, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinogdenbsx

cheers for that very constructive

I'm only 1/2 serious

just not sure which 1/2

bulletproof1 · 09-21-2004, 04:54 PM

taking a good multivitamin is advised as well. and dont forget efa's.

Martinogdenbsx · 09-22-2004, 03:43 AM

gonna take flax seed for efa's and vitamin c probably

Yes that is a ball python i have loads of reptiles,bearded dragons,boa constrictors etc etc

Chris

09-21-2004, 02:18 PM	#1
Martinogdenbsx Dedicated to one thing!!! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,149	See what ya all think? Is this okay to do 2 protein shakes per day Glutamine Platinum(weight gainer) and i am going to do 2 weeks on creatine and 2 weeks off it What do you think,is it alright to take this is their side effects? Chris

09-21-2004, 02:41 PM	#2
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: idaho Posts: 5,390 Photos: 9	Glutamine is GREAT stuff, you'll gain at least 45 lbs of muscle in a month. But I hope you don't mind losing your hair.
	New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf "She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

09-21-2004, 02:43 PM	#3
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: idaho Posts: 5,390 Photos: 9	why are you cycling creatine? Read more man, use the search button it worked for me be more specific on the contents of the weight gainer and the whey that you are using... if it is whey. You're not giving us much info dude It's important to know 'when' you need the protein too. I reccomend you spend a week over in the diet forum and go to the book store to get some good books
	New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf "She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

09-21-2004, 04:14 PM	#11
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: idaho Posts: 5,390 Photos: 9	a proper diet, and a kick in the arse
	New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf "She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

09-21-2004, 04:28 PM	#14
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Dude, that's an impressive snake in your gallery. He's really cut.
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040

09-21-2004, 02:49 PM	#4
SPIKE1257 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York Posts: 1,533	I never heard of negative side effects for any of the things you listed.. And like Luke said, why are you cycling creatine.. Two weeks on and two weeks off, you're wasting your money.

09-21-2004, 03:00 PM	#5
Martinogdenbsx Dedicated to one thing!!! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,149	look here dudes btw you being serious about loosing your hair with glutamine??????? http://www.lamuscle.com/warp/navigate.php3?d=archive&o= check it out says you should use it for short periods this is the protein i will be using http://www.lamuscle.com/warp/navigate.php3?d=products&o= This is the platinum(weight gainer) http://www.lamuscle.com/warp/navigate.php3?d=products&o= This is the creatine http://www.lamuscle.com/warp/navigate.php3?d=products&o= And this is the glutamine http://www.lamuscle.com/warp/navigate.php3?d=products&o= What dya think? Chris

09-21-2004, 03:16 PM	#6
mark gabrielli Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9	You won't lose your hair using glutamine. Use the creatine for about 8 weeks, then stop for about the same. Your body makes creatine naturally, so you don't want it to stop making it on its own because your supplying it artificially for a long period of time. This is what I've read and been told anyway.

09-21-2004, 03:17 PM	#7
Martinogdenbsx Dedicated to one thing!!! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,149	fair enough gonna be hard having all tose supplements but worth it How long before i notice a difference do you think? Chris

09-21-2004, 04:03 PM	#10
Martinogdenbsx Dedicated to one thing!!! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,149	so what does everyone wreckon i shud take then?

09-21-2004, 04:19 PM	#12
Martinogdenbsx Dedicated to one thing!!! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,149	cheers for that very constructive

09-21-2004, 04:20 PM	#13
Martinogdenbsx Dedicated to one thing!!! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,149	fuck it i am gonna take creatine,glutamine,whey protein,platinum

09-21-2004, 04:54 PM	#16
bulletproof1 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: * Posts: 2,428	taking a good multivitamin is advised as well. and dont forget efa's.

09-22-2004, 03:43 AM	#17
Martinogdenbsx Dedicated to one thing!!! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,149	gonna take flax seed for efa's and vitamin c probably Yes that is a ball python i have loads of reptiles,bearded dragons,boa constrictors etc etc Chris

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