1 PH slips through the ban?

**Pirate!** · 10-07-2004, 09:10 PM

If you want to talk to him he goes by Designer Supps here: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=63 This forum is for his store.

Kuzinbo · 10-08-2004, 02:25 PM

Geesh, a bunch of paranoid peeps.... You might as well just say what it is. Do you really think that the handful of people on this site... trying to mums the word are really going to keep it from their attention? Stop thinking through your narrow scope and look at the bigger pictuer fellas... If one slipped by, then they will know about it soon enough weather or not the people on this forum post the word or not. funny thing is, most of you probably don't even vote, but want to complain. When we vote Bush back in. Yeah... go Bush... I am telling you.. warning you... if he gets back into office, he will probably put such a damper on all supps by stiffer regulations. It is sad.... everyone complains, but nobody gets involved.

Du · 10-08-2004, 02:27 PM

LOL.

I guarantee most of us vote. Check out the Open Chat, youll see how political this forum can get.

**Pirate!** · 10-08-2004, 03:43 PM

http://badnarik.org/

Du · 10-08-2004, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

http://badnarik.org/

GOOD MAN PIRATE!

gococksDJS · 10-08-2004, 04:04 PM

Bush may be putting an end to the legality of PH/PS's, but how would Kerry change that? I can see how someone might think that because all Kerry does is add the word NOT to every statement Bush says so if he says "We need to crack down on the illegal use of steroids in sports organizations" Kerry will naturally come back with "We do NOT need to crack down on the illegal use of steroids in sports organizations" because he has no stand of his own except for free Heinz ketchup for the nation. I have also never heard Kerry mention a word about the bill passing, so i guess the point im trying to get across is that whoever takes office has no bearing whatsoever on this bill. Unfortunately it now seems we can do nothing but watch as the majority of us on this board go from PH/PS users to hardened criminals. But with no disrespect to you or your political stance Kuzinbo, this might be the worst argument ive ever heard when it comes to the PH/PS bill. The president alone can not put a damper on the supplement industry. Bills will continue to come in front of the house restricting supplements and some will pass and some will not. All the president does is sign the bill to make it take effect, he himself does not deem supplements illegal whether or not he is opposed to said bill. It is the elected representatives of all of our states that do this and as we can see by previous voting there are very few senate leaders opposed to restricting supplements. Sorry for the lengthy political post, and yes I do vote.

Du · 10-08-2004, 04:20 PM

GoCocks - Youre half right, in my opinion. Bills are passed by the houses, then passed on to the president to sign. In the case of Bush, he would sign the anti-PH/PS bill. So would Kerry. But Badnarik would NOT. If he vetoes it, it would go back to the houses for another vote to override the veto. However, he would probably just hold onto it and never sign it, effectively ending the legislation.

TrojanMan60563 · 10-08-2004, 07:11 PM

We are fucked either way..bush or kerry....they are going to both fuck the country up even more for us. Once the PS are illegal and the ones that do come out cost so much there is no reason to not just go out and use the real gear.

**Pirate!** · 10-08-2004, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

use the real gear.

Best advice I have heard in the supplements forum.

gococksDJS · 10-08-2004, 09:57 PM

I agree with TrojanMan about using real gear. Thats what I plan on doing once I run out of whatever ive stocked up.

mmorpheuss · 10-09-2004, 05:40 AM

While I'm not going to get into politics I do agree with Kuzinbo that all this paranoid stuff struck me as kind of silly.

I understand that people have to be careful and all on public forums but when a 200 post guy doesn't trust a 150 post guy because he doesn't have enough posts, I had to laugh at that one.

In all honesty I would think that "they" are paid to be the cat with 3000 posts that you already put on your "buddy list".

Think about that for a while

shutupntra1n · 10-09-2004, 08:51 AM

I have an interesting question and I figured I would just use this thread instead of dragging up an old one. I had read the bill a while ago and also many different interpretations of it. What I'm wondering is if the ban is for sale, manufacturing and distribution only or will it be for consumption/use. Many versions stated it would be listed as a general "controlled substance". I am curious b/c I am going into law enforcement and I would hate to buy extra ph/ps only to find it will be one more controlled substance to test for.

Du · 10-09-2004, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

I have an interesting question and I figured I would just use this thread instead of dragging up an old one. I had read the bill a while ago and also many different interpretations of it. What I'm wondering is if the ban is for sale, manufacturing and distribution only or will it be for consumption/use. Many versions stated it would be listed as a general "controlled substance". I am curious b/c I am going into law enforcement and I would hate to buy extra ph/ps only to find it will be one more controlled substance to test for.

I am 99.9% sure it is not against consumption, it is against manufacturing and distribution. Granted, this can always be changed down the line, but I am pretty sure that is where it stands now. I know in the June 3rd version, the one that the House passed, that is the way it is. I was interested in that myself, to see if Id be a hardened criminal for stocking up.

Kuzinbo · 10-12-2004, 05:28 AM

Hey Shutupandtra1n.... I am in Law Enforcement. In fact I am a sergeant in south FL. The drug capital of the world. I have been asked by the chief many times "Are you on steroids?" He is like five foot nothin and hundred and nothin, so little man syndrome is pretty big in my departmental hierarchy. However, to test for roids is very expensive and not a common practice. Hell, they don't even test for any other drugs, even from people I KNOW have to be on freakin crack. lol, but seriously, I have blown up many times because I respond very very well to training and PH/PS. I have never taken real gear, and would not without a Dr's script, which is a future option for me.

Also, I am impressed that a few of you involve yourselves in voting. Youth and middle age people do not get involved enough. Hell out of the 55k plus people that live in the city I work in, only 5-6k people vote for city elections. As if those idiots do not have a big impact on your every day life. Then people want to bitch when they get cited for having a fusha house. Anyway, this forum is not for that. Stock up or dont get caught. Most people get busted for being plain stupid. I even have a friend that was busted for buying gear, fired, and can never work in this field again. Why? Because the person he bought from got busted and flipped on him. I think it is ridiculous that you can be arrested for PH/PS, or even gear for that matter. Don't even get me started about weed. I would rather deal with someone who smoked up over a drunk any day. The worst I have had to deal with was someone who stoned and stole some snackies from the local shop and rob. Or the occcasional stoner who you have to tell them to "get up" several times because they are too damn lazy. Better than the drunk who wants to smack his ole lady around in my book....

But hey, that is just me.

**dg806** · 10-12-2004, 10:01 AM

Once they are banned, they will be an illegal substance!

**Prince** · 10-12-2004, 10:10 AM

All PH/PS will be classified just like anabolic steroids (Class III scheduled drugs), a felony to possess without an Rx.

rrgg · 10-13-2004, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Geesh, a bunch of paranoid peeps.... You might as well just say what it is. Do you really think that the handful of people on this site... trying to mums the word are really going to keep it from their attention? Stop thinking through your narrow scope and look at the bigger pictuer fellas... If one slipped by, then they will know about it soon enough weather or not the people on this forum post the word or not.

No, they won't "know about it soon enough." Apparently you have no idea how inefficient Congress is. How long did it take them to finally get this close to passing the ammendment in the first place? How long have you been hearing about this ban anyway?

There is no point in helping anyone close loopholes in this bill, especially at this stage when the bill can be easily ammended. Discussions of loopholes can easily be found with google. If you want to discuss this topic, do so by PM.

I suggest this entire thread be deleted.

pmech · 10-13-2004, 04:58 PM

Yes, but for those of us without the abilaity to obtain the real thing, the PH/PS route was the option use. Now they took that away. Bastards!

Du · 10-13-2004, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrgg

No, they won't "know about it soon enough." Apparently you have no idea how inefficient Congress is. How long did it take them to finally get this close to passing the ammendment in the first place? How long have you been hearing about this ban anyway?

There is no point in helping anyone close loopholes in this bill, especially at this stage when the bill can be easily ammended. Discussions of loopholes can easily be found with google. If you want to discuss this topic, do so by PM.

I suggest this entire thread be deleted.

No one said which Ph/Ps has made it through. No one. Whats the big deal?

I wouldnt tell it in the open, never. I odnt think many other people would either.

I dont think its that serious.

rrgg · 10-13-2004, 05:39 PM

du510-- You're right. I should have written that a thread or message revealing that info should be deleted.

**Pirate!** · 10-13-2004, 05:58 PM

Damit! Someone give me a list of what is banned. I am going to make a thread on every fucking board and send emails to all these prick Senators and even Arnie that exposes the "one that sliped" through. I am going to rent a prop plane to fly in circles around D.C. with a huge banner with that PH's name on it. When I get shot down they are going to find on my body a letter that explains that they fucked up and left this PH on the market. It will be broadcast worldwide! Everyone will know! Who is going to send me the list?

JerseyDevil · 10-13-2004, 06:25 PM

Deal with it dawgs.... If you want to use chemical assistance, eventually you will have to use black market gear. This may actually be a good thing, for your body anyway. M1t is by far the most kick ass 'non-real' gear out there, but I honestly think it is worse for you then drol, dbol or maybe even halo.

Du · 10-13-2004, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Deal with it dawgs.... If you want to use chemical assistance, eventually you will have to use black market gear. This may actually be a good thing, for your body anyway. M1t is by far the most kick ass 'non-real' gear out there, but I honestly think it is worse for you then drol, dbol or maybe even halo.

I havent tried too many ph/ps, but I LOVE m1t. Fuggin great.

Hopefully there will be a black market for it when I need it in the future!

**Pirate!** · 10-13-2004, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

I havent tried too many ph/ps, but I LOVE m1t. Fuggin great.

Hopefully there will be a black market for it when I need it in the future!

I would venture a man such as yourself would be prudent enough to stock up now. M1T =

Du · 10-13-2004, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I would venture a man such as yourself would be prudent enough to stock up now. M1T =

All the rest of the shit Ive tried is

. Worthless.

About stocking up.... not a bad idea...
I may have to look into that.......

rrgg · 10-13-2004, 06:54 PM

The list is here:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:h3866:

10-08-2004, 02:25 PM	#32
Kuzinbo Junior "REDNECK" Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 72 Photos: 1	Geesh, a bunch of paranoid peeps.... You might as well just say what it is. Do you really think that the handful of people on this site... trying to mums the word are really going to keep it from their attention? Stop thinking through your narrow scope and look at the bigger pictuer fellas... If one slipped by, then they will know about it soon enough weather or not the people on this forum post the word or not. funny thing is, most of you probably don't even vote, but want to complain. When we vote Bush back in. Yeah... go Bush... I am telling you.. warning you... if he gets back into office, he will probably put such a damper on all supps by stiffer regulations. It is sad.... everyone complains, but nobody gets involved.
	To me, it is not how long you're in the gym... it is what you do why you are there... Intesity and Consistency are Paramount. Oh yeah, and eat plenty of fried chicken, whole milk and bacon. Ask any old farmer that usually lives to about 90+.

10-08-2004, 02:27 PM	#33
Du Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,085 Photos: 5	LOL. I guarantee most of us vote. Check out the Open Chat, youll see how political this forum can get.
	My IronMag Journal

10-08-2004, 04:04 PM	#36
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002	Bush may be putting an end to the legality of PH/PS's, but how would Kerry change that? I can see how someone might think that because all Kerry does is add the word NOT to every statement Bush says so if he says "We need to crack down on the illegal use of steroids in sports organizations" Kerry will naturally come back with "We do NOT need to crack down on the illegal use of steroids in sports organizations" because he has no stand of his own except for free Heinz ketchup for the nation. I have also never heard Kerry mention a word about the bill passing, so i guess the point im trying to get across is that whoever takes office has no bearing whatsoever on this bill. Unfortunately it now seems we can do nothing but watch as the majority of us on this board go from PH/PS users to hardened criminals. But with no disrespect to you or your political stance Kuzinbo, this might be the worst argument ive ever heard when it comes to the PH/PS bill. The president alone can not put a damper on the supplement industry. Bills will continue to come in front of the house restricting supplements and some will pass and some will not. All the president does is sign the bill to make it take effect, he himself does not deem supplements illegal whether or not he is opposed to said bill. It is the elected representatives of all of our states that do this and as we can see by previous voting there are very few senate leaders opposed to restricting supplements. Sorry for the lengthy political post, and yes I do vote.
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002

10-08-2004, 04:20 PM	#37
Du Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,085 Photos: 5	GoCocks - Youre half right, in my opinion. Bills are passed by the houses, then passed on to the president to sign. In the case of Bush, he would sign the anti-PH/PS bill. So would Kerry. But Badnarik would NOT. If he vetoes it, it would go back to the houses for another vote to override the veto. However, he would probably just hold onto it and never sign it, effectively ending the legislation.
	My IronMag Journal

10-08-2004, 09:57 PM	#40
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002	I agree with TrojanMan about using real gear. Thats what I plan on doing once I run out of whatever ive stocked up.
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,002

10-08-2004, 07:11 PM	#38
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,984 Photos: 1	We are fucked either way..bush or kerry....they are going to both fuck the country up even more for us. Once the PS are illegal and the ones that do come out cost so much there is no reason to not just go out and use the real gear.

10-09-2004, 05:40 AM	#41
mmorpheuss Junior Member Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 39	While I'm not going to get into politics I do agree with Kuzinbo that all this paranoid stuff struck me as kind of silly. I understand that people have to be careful and all on public forums but when a 200 post guy doesn't trust a 150 post guy because he doesn't have enough posts, I had to laugh at that one. In all honesty I would think that "they" are paid to be the cat with 3000 posts that you already put on your "buddy list". Think about that for a while

10-09-2004, 08:51 AM	#42
shutupntra1n Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,905	I have an interesting question and I figured I would just use this thread instead of dragging up an old one. I had read the bill a while ago and also many different interpretations of it. What I'm wondering is if the ban is for sale, manufacturing and distribution only or will it be for consumption/use. Many versions stated it would be listed as a general "controlled substance". I am curious b/c I am going into law enforcement and I would hate to buy extra ph/ps only to find it will be one more controlled substance to test for.

10-12-2004, 05:28 AM	#44
Kuzinbo Junior "REDNECK" Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 72 Photos: 1	Hey Shutupandtra1n.... I am in Law Enforcement. In fact I am a sergeant in south FL. The drug capital of the world. I have been asked by the chief many times "Are you on steroids?" He is like five foot nothin and hundred and nothin, so little man syndrome is pretty big in my departmental hierarchy. However, to test for roids is very expensive and not a common practice. Hell, they don't even test for any other drugs, even from people I KNOW have to be on freakin crack. lol, but seriously, I have blown up many times because I respond very very well to training and PH/PS. I have never taken real gear, and would not without a Dr's script, which is a future option for me. Also, I am impressed that a few of you involve yourselves in voting. Youth and middle age people do not get involved enough. Hell out of the 55k plus people that live in the city I work in, only 5-6k people vote for city elections. As if those idiots do not have a big impact on your every day life. Then people want to bitch when they get cited for having a fusha house. Anyway, this forum is not for that. Stock up or dont get caught. Most people get busted for being plain stupid. I even have a friend that was busted for buying gear, fired, and can never work in this field again. Why? Because the person he bought from got busted and flipped on him. I think it is ridiculous that you can be arrested for PH/PS, or even gear for that matter. Don't even get me started about weed. I would rather deal with someone who smoked up over a drunk any day. The worst I have had to deal with was someone who stoned and stole some snackies from the local shop and rob. Or the occcasional stoner who you have to tell them to "get up" several times because they are too damn lazy. Better than the drunk who wants to smack his ole lady around in my book.... But hey, that is just me.
	To me, it is not how long you're in the gym... it is what you do why you are there... Intesity and Consistency are Paramount. Oh yeah, and eat plenty of fried chicken, whole milk and bacon. Ask any old farmer that usually lives to about 90+.

10-12-2004, 10:01 AM	#45
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,414	Once they are banned, they will be an illegal substance!
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10-12-2004, 10:10 AM	#46
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,926 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	All PH/PS will be classified just like anabolic steroids (Class III scheduled drugs), a felony to possess without an Rx.
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10-13-2004, 04:58 PM	#48
pmech Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cheeseland Posts: 574 Photos: 1	Yes, but for those of us without the abilaity to obtain the real thing, the PH/PS route was the option use. Now they took that away. Bastards!

10-13-2004, 05:39 PM	#50
rrgg Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 261	du510-- You're right. I should have written that a thread or message revealing that info should be deleted.
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10-13-2004, 06:25 PM	#52
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,181	Deal with it dawgs.... If you want to use chemical assistance, eventually you will have to use black market gear. This may actually be a good thing, for your body anyway. M1t is by far the most kick ass 'non-real' gear out there, but I honestly think it is worse for you then drol, dbol or maybe even halo.

10-13-2004, 06:54 PM	#56
rrgg Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 261	The list is here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:h3866:
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