Scorch (new fat burner) by MAN

nikegurl · 10-19-2004, 02:58 PM

How does this look as a fat burner? I'll post the ingredients (since that's what really matters) before the stuff they write up to convince us to buy it

It actually looks promising to me - but there are people here who would no better than I would

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Serving Size: 2 Capsules (max dose is 2 caps 3 times a day)
Servings Per Container: 84

Amount Per Serving:

Caffeine USP: 200mg
Lean Green™ Green Tea SE (90% Catechins, 60% EGCG): 200mg
Total EGCG Per Serving: 120mg
P2™ Oolong Tea SE (30% Polymerized Pollyphenols, 10% EGCG): 200mg
Total Polymerized Polyphenols, 10% EGCG): 60mg
Total EGCG Per Serving: 20mg
Rhodiola Rosea (4% rosavins): 100mg
Olive Leaf Extract (20% Oleuropeins): 100mg
7-oxo-DHEA: 75mg
Coleus Forskholii Leaves SE (40% Forskolin): 50mg
Tyramine HCl 99%: 50mg

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now the marketing stuff they post about it (I trimmed it a bit):

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SCORCH™

Revs up your Metabolism
Suppresses Cortisol
Provides a Major and Clean Energy Boost
Optimizes Thyroid Function
Suppresses Appetite
Preserves Lean Body Mass
Combats Stress, Depression, and Fatigue
Targets Stubborn Body Fat

To recap, SCORCH™ works by revving up your metabolism and boosting thyroid activity so you burn more calories throughout the day and burn fat. It also fights off hunger so you can stay on your diet and it provides a major, clean energy boost to get you through the day. SCORCH™ also contains ingredients that maximize endurance, focus, and combat stress. And it helps to preserve lean body mass, so you don't just lose fat, but you preserve precious muscle tissue.

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anything better/new/different here?

aggies1ut · 10-19-2004, 05:53 PM

BSL also has some fat burner called Fire. It seems interesting, but really pricey.
http://www.blackstarlabs.com/?cPath=17&products_id=346

Du · 10-19-2004, 06:12 PM

Doesnt look as good as ECA or clen.

Just my $.02.

**Dale Mabry** · 10-19-2004, 07:01 PM

I like seeing Rhodiola in there, especially in a clinically effective dosage, but other than that it is not all that remarkable to me. I am not familiar with some of the things in there, though.

camarosuper6 · 10-20-2004, 02:28 AM

Most of that stuff is the same stuff in a different bottle. All these companies are trying to reinvent the pinto. Doesnt work.

ECA wins every time (at least so far).

Dante B. · 10-20-2004, 06:12 AM

Really? Would any of you care to explain?

I'm not asking, I'm instigating

Clen in the short term is splendid - but there's certainly more to fat loss than beta-2 agonism. ECA is hardly the end-all and be-all of anorectic and partioning agents.

If the price is reasonable, it's certainly worth a shot. Nothing extraordinary, and I wouldn't expect anything remarkable with it, but it's solid (in theory - save the 7-KetoDHEA and caffeine/catechins). Rhodiola, although it may or may not exert a significant influence on fat loss directly, is definitely nice to moderate perceived stress, mental/physical fatigue, and hunger when you're dieting.

EDIT:

Checked out the price on 1Fast: $33.99 for 168 capsules is great. Something doesn't have to be novel, in order to provide a nice selection of ingredients at reasonable doses. That's one of the major problems with most of the ephedra replacements, even going beyond scientific support and valid theoretical backing, most products provide token amounts only; if the formula is solid, they charge a ridiculous price - if the price is ridiculous, they don't provide anything in substance or amount to justify the cost.

**Dale Mabry** · 10-20-2004, 09:23 AM

I think the formula is nice, but I can buy most of the ingredients separately at a fraction of the cost. The one I am most interested in, Rhodiola, can be purchased at bulk/1fast for $22 and you get like 100 days worth, plus you can get the same amount of green tea and caffeine for like $5 a piece. So you can essentially purchase the most effective ingredients, I have seen no evidence coleus is effective, for the same price and get 100 days worth.

Dante B. · 10-20-2004, 09:44 AM

I agree. But convenience is a commodity and most people don't want to sit down and cap five different raw powders, or measure and scoop out the appropriate amounts of each into a cup (as I do). All things considered, the price is right for the typical consumer; the premium on convenience isn't set too high.

Yes, regarding forskolin. I definitely wouldn't rely on it as a stand-alone supplement for positive partioning; theoretically, it may be useful in addition to caffeine and the like. Subjectively speaking, it is useful for mental "balance" as well as blood pressure, and that helps when you're dieting and using stimulants. Forskolin is an excellent anxiolytic, if nothing else, orally.

BTW: Dale, I should have been clear - I was challenging the other statements ('not as good,' 'reinventing the pinto,' ignoring several factors in between).

**Dale Mabry** · 10-20-2004, 10:59 AM

I know you weren't aiming your poison at me.

I have said it many times, the Adaptogens, particularly Rhodiola, are going to turn out to be very effective for alot of people, especially people with stress/mood disorders.

nikegurl · 10-26-2004, 03:10 PM

how does stacking w/synephrine sound?

(bulk has a nice sale on scorch/syneburn combo this week) typically i don't start stacking/adding on 'til i decide how i like the product but b/c of the sale i may buy both at once if it seems likely that the stack will be an especially good one. (it's $5 less to buy both together this week)

just go w/the Scorch alone or grab the synephrine as well?

thanks

Dante B. · 10-27-2004, 04:40 PM

The combination could result in a more potent anorectic effect, possibly an increased thermogenic response - nothing extraordinary - and potentially greater side effects (blood pressure, anxiety).

So, it could be a nice addition. If it's on sale, it's not as though you have to start off by taking the two. Try Scorch first, add the synephrine, if you wish, later.

10-19-2004, 02:58 PM	#1
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	Scorch (new fat burner) by MAN How does this look as a fat burner? I'll post the ingredients (since that's what really matters) before the stuff they write up to convince us to buy it It actually looks promising to me - but there are people here who would no better than I would ************************************************ *** Serving Size: 2 Capsules (max dose is 2 caps 3 times a day) Servings Per Container: 84 Amount Per Serving: Caffeine USP: 200mg Lean Green™ Green Tea SE (90% Catechins, 60% EGCG): 200mg Total EGCG Per Serving: 120mg P2™ Oolong Tea SE (30% Polymerized Pollyphenols, 10% EGCG): 200mg Total Polymerized Polyphenols, 10% EGCG): 60mg Total EGCG Per Serving: 20mg Rhodiola Rosea (4% rosavins): 100mg Olive Leaf Extract (20% Oleuropeins): 100mg 7-oxo-DHEA: 75mg Coleus Forskholii Leaves SE (40% Forskolin): 50mg Tyramine HCl 99%: 50mg ********************************************** **** now the marketing stuff they post about it (I trimmed it a bit): ********************************************** **** SCORCH™ Revs up your Metabolism Suppresses Cortisol Provides a Major and Clean Energy Boost Optimizes Thyroid Function Suppresses Appetite Preserves Lean Body Mass Combats Stress, Depression, and Fatigue Targets Stubborn Body Fat To recap, SCORCH™ works by revving up your metabolism and boosting thyroid activity so you burn more calories throughout the day and burn fat. It also fights off hunger so you can stay on your diet and it provides a major, clean energy boost to get you through the day. SCORCH™ also contains ingredients that maximize endurance, focus, and combat stress. And it helps to preserve lean body mass, so you don't just lose fat, but you preserve precious muscle tissue. ********************************************** ****** anything better/new/different here?
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

10-19-2004, 06:12 PM	#3
Du Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,085 Photos: 5	Doesnt look as good as ECA or clen. Just my $.02.
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10-19-2004, 07:01 PM	#4
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,870 Photos: 10	I like seeing Rhodiola in there, especially in a clinically effective dosage, but other than that it is not all that remarkable to me. I am not familiar with some of the things in there, though.
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10-20-2004, 02:28 AM	#5
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,350	Most of that stuff is the same stuff in a different bottle. All these companies are trying to reinvent the pinto. Doesnt work. ECA wins every time (at least so far).
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10-20-2004, 06:12 AM	#6
Dante B. Non Compost Mentis Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 598 Photos: 8	Really? Would any of you care to explain? I'm not asking, I'm instigating Clen in the short term is splendid - but there's certainly more to fat loss than beta-2 agonism. ECA is hardly the end-all and be-all of anorectic and partioning agents. If the price is reasonable, it's certainly worth a shot. Nothing extraordinary, and I wouldn't expect anything remarkable with it, but it's solid (in theory - save the 7-KetoDHEA and caffeine/catechins). Rhodiola, although it may or may not exert a significant influence on fat loss directly, is definitely nice to moderate perceived stress, mental/physical fatigue, and hunger when you're dieting. EDIT: Checked out the price on 1Fast: $33.99 for 168 capsules is great. Something doesn't have to be novel, in order to provide a nice selection of ingredients at reasonable doses. That's one of the major problems with most of the ephedra replacements, even going beyond scientific support and valid theoretical backing, most products provide token amounts only; if the formula is solid, they charge a ridiculous price - if the price is ridiculous, they don't provide anything in substance or amount to justify the cost. Last edited by Dante B. : 10-20-2004 at 06:30 AM.
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10-19-2004, 05:53 PM	#2
aggies1ut NorCal Elite Member* Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sacramento, Ca. Posts: 3,580 Photos: 19	BSL also has some fat burner called Fire. It seems interesting, but really pricey. http://www.blackstarlabs.com/?cPath=17&products_id=346

10-20-2004, 09:23 AM	#7
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,870 Photos: 10	I think the formula is nice, but I can buy most of the ingredients separately at a fraction of the cost. The one I am most interested in, Rhodiola, can be purchased at bulk/1fast for $22 and you get like 100 days worth, plus you can get the same amount of green tea and caffeine for like $5 a piece. So you can essentially purchase the most effective ingredients, I have seen no evidence coleus is effective, for the same price and get 100 days worth.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

10-20-2004, 09:44 AM	#8
Dante B. Non Compost Mentis Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 598 Photos: 8	I agree. But convenience is a commodity and most people don't want to sit down and cap five different raw powders, or measure and scoop out the appropriate amounts of each into a cup (as I do). All things considered, the price is right for the typical consumer; the premium on convenience isn't set too high. Yes, regarding forskolin. I definitely wouldn't rely on it as a stand-alone supplement for positive partioning; theoretically, it may be useful in addition to caffeine and the like. Subjectively speaking, it is useful for mental "balance" as well as blood pressure, and that helps when you're dieting and using stimulants. Forskolin is an excellent anxiolytic, if nothing else, orally. BTW: Dale, I should have been clear - I was challenging the other statements ('not as good,' 'reinventing the pinto,' ignoring several factors in between).
	Not to see many things, not to hear many things, not to permit many things to come close - first imperative of prudence, first proof that one is no mere accident but a necessity. Friedrich Nietzsche - Ecce Homo

10-20-2004, 10:59 AM	#9
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,870 Photos: 10	I know you weren't aiming your poison at me. I have said it many times, the Adaptogens, particularly Rhodiola, are going to turn out to be very effective for alot of people, especially people with stress/mood disorders.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

10-26-2004, 03:10 PM	#10
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	how does stacking w/synephrine sound? (bulk has a nice sale on scorch/syneburn combo this week) typically i don't start stacking/adding on 'til i decide how i like the product but b/c of the sale i may buy both at once if it seems likely that the stack will be an especially good one. (it's $5 less to buy both together this week) just go w/the Scorch alone or grab the synephrine as well? thanks
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

10-27-2004, 04:40 PM	#11
Dante B. Non Compost Mentis Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 598 Photos: 8	The combination could result in a more potent anorectic effect, possibly an increased thermogenic response - nothing extraordinary - and potentially greater side effects (blood pressure, anxiety). So, it could be a nice addition. If it's on sale, it's not as though you have to start off by taking the two. Try Scorch first, add the synephrine, if you wish, later.
	Not to see many things, not to hear many things, not to permit many things to come close - first imperative of prudence, first proof that one is no mere accident but a necessity. Friedrich Nietzsche - Ecce Homo

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