nolva question

babylon · 10-21-2004, 11:30 PM

i had two bottles of nolva one from m5reaserch and the other one from the ancillaryguys. The nolva from m5reaserch tasted ok nothing crazy but now i just started a bottle from the ancillary guys (its red for some reason?!) and it burns like CRAZY! I cant even put a drop in my mouth whats the deal with that? if its the same active ingredient shouldnt color and taste be the same?
at least now i know where to get my nolva!

Du · 10-21-2004, 11:38 PM

I havent bought from either of those sources. But, the liquid nolva Ive had is absolutely awful, the worst tasting shit in the world. I compare it to a shot of oily gasoline. (Shot as in the drink.) Its nasty, but necessary. Ive found that mixing it with orange juice masks the flavor a bit. Just be sure to overdose by a tiny bit, as some will be left on the side of the glass, etc.

BTW, the active ingredient is a small powder, it is the liquid that it is suspended in that is awful.

gococksDJS · 10-21-2004, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by du510

I compare it to a shot of oily gasoline. (Shot as in the drink.)

I used to take shots of gasoline all the time, but my smoking habit quickly got in the way...

redspy · 10-21-2004, 11:43 PM

Although both contain Taxomifen Citrate they are dissolved in different solutions. The M5 Tamoxifen is dissolved in propylene glycol. I'm not sure what the AG's Taxoxifen is dissolved in, but it's probably something like Peg 400 or everclear.

Du · 10-21-2004, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

I used to take shots of gasoline all the time, but my smoking habit quickly got in the way...

To be honest, Ive siphoned a few gas tanks in my life, and gas tastes a little better.

Du · 10-21-2004, 11:46 PM

Ive never seen a red Nolva. Mine have always been clear.

babylon · 10-21-2004, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by du510

I compare it to a shot of oily gasoline.

i feel you bro ... was your's red?

redspy · 10-21-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by du510

Ive never seen a red Nolva. Mine have always been clear.

CNW used to ship it as 'ghetto' Nolva. They now ship a clear liquid as color additives imply it's for human consumption and we all know it's for "research purposes"

Du · 10-21-2004, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by redspy

CNW used to ship it as 'ghetto' Nolva. They now ship a clear liquid as color additives imply it's for human consumption and we all know it's for "research purposes"

Do you know what its suspended in? More curious than anything else.

redspy · 10-21-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by du510

Do you know what its suspended in? More curious than anything else.

Propylene Glycol.

**Pirate!** · 10-22-2004, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by du510

Do you know what its suspended in? More curious than anything else.

The ghetto version is named such due to lack of suspension. You have to shake it until it mixes everytime you use it, so I am told. Why would a rat care about the color or flavor anyway?

Luke9583 · 10-22-2004, 08:58 AM

Why bother tasting it? It's not for human consumption but, i'd just squeeze that crap down and get it over with.

Why let it linger? It would probably work best if you drank a liter of water after though.

Du · 10-22-2004, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Why would a rat care about the color or flavor anyway?

I care about my rats.

**Pirate!** · 10-22-2004, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by du510

I care about my rats.

They couldn't give a rat's ass about you.

Du · 10-22-2004, 02:50 PM

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They couldn't give a rat's ass about you.

Thats why I give them the shitty nolva. You know, the one in which it is suspended in high-octane gasoline. It tends to give them gas.

babylon · 10-22-2004, 03:27 PM

hey PURDUE POWER just curious how much weight did you lose during your first week of PCT? I am only 5 days into my PCT and had already lost 6lbs! My strength is way down too...i was really impressed with my gains but i guess it turned out to be mostly water

Du · 10-22-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by babylon

hey PURDUE POWER just curious how much weight did you lose during your first week of PCT? I am only 5 days into my PCT and had already lost 6lbs! My strength is way down too...i was really impressed with my gains but i guess it turned out to be mostly water

You keep your cals up?

babylon · 10-22-2004, 04:38 PM

yeah doing my best to eat as much as i can though clen has really suppressed my appetite and i have to force myself to eat. Pretty dissappointed, dont know what i did wrong

Du · 10-22-2004, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by babylon

yeah doing my best to eat as much as i can though clen has really suppressed my appetite and i have to force myself to eat. Pretty dissappointed, dont know what i did wrong

6 lbs could be water. How much did you gain overall? I would stop clen for a little while if its killing your appetite. Personally, I dont use clen during PCT, i use it for a few weeks after pct. You should have the same diet on cycle as during pct, IE high pro, moderate carbs, low fats. How much nolva are you taking? It could be that youre not taking enough, too.

babylon · 10-22-2004, 05:01 PM

gained 16lbs total, ran m1t without any 4ad. I am taking 60mgs of liquid nolva but that doesnt seem to help much. 6lbs might just be water weight but at this pace i fear to lose all of my gains pretty quickly. How long before its safe to say that i kept the gains? 2-3 weeks?

redspy · 10-22-2004, 05:15 PM

I think you'll need a longer time to ascertain your lasting gains, maybe 6 weeks or so. How is your strength?

Du · 10-22-2004, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by babylon

gained 16lbs total, ran m1t without any 4ad. I am taking 60mgs of liquid nolva but that doesnt seem to help much. 6lbs might just be water weight but at this pace i fear to lose all of my gains pretty quickly. How long before its safe to say that i kept the gains? 2-3 weeks?

6lbs out of 16 is probably water. Nothing to worry about. Easily give it a few weeks before coming to the conclusion that youre losing muscle. But as I said, keep your cals up, keep your protein up, and run a proper PCT. Be sure to lift as hard as oncycle. Youll be alright.

redspy · 10-22-2004, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by du510

6lbs out of 16 is probably water. Nothing to worry about. Easily give it a few weeks before coming to the conclusion that youre losing muscle. But as I said, keep your cals up, keep your protein up, and run a proper PCT. Be sure to lift as hard as oncycle. Youll be alright.

Great advice.

**Pirate!** · 10-22-2004, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by du510

6lbs out of 16 is probably water. Nothing to worry about. Easily give it a few weeks before coming to the conclusion that youre losing muscle. But as I said, keep your cals up, keep your protein up, and run a proper PCT. Be sure to lift as hard as oncycle. Youll be alright.

I agree, but I would say lift as heavy instead of as hard, otherwise you might overtrain and lose muscle. Keep your workouts heavy and short.

Du · 10-22-2004, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I agree, but I would say lift as heavy instead of as hard, otherwise you might overtrain and lose muscle. Keep your workouts heavy and short.

Very good. Its what I meant, but not what I said. Thanks.

VOLAND · 10-22-2004, 11:44 PM

Guys! What is nolva?

Du · 10-22-2004, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by VOLAND

Guys! What is nolva?

Nolvadex, aka tamoxifen citrate.

Pharmaceutical Name: Tamoxifen (as citrate)
Molecular weight of base: 371.5212
Molecular weight of ester: 192.125 (citric acid, 6 carbons)
Effective dose: 20-40 mg / day orally

An anti-estrogen. Specifically, a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM). Basically, it can block estrogen from binding to a estrogen receptor.

Its a prescription breast cancer drug, but is commonly used for Post Cycle Therapy following the use of exogenous hormones (PH's, PS's, AAS's). Some cycles, depending on the hormones used, necessitate the use of an anti-estro, such as nolva, while on cycle too.

This help?

VOLAND · 10-22-2004, 11:55 PM

Ineed! Helped enough, to relaize that I am in over my head ... reading t his thread

10-21-2004, 11:30 PM	#1
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	nolva question i had two bottles of nolva one from m5reaserch and the other one from the ancillaryguys. The nolva from m5reaserch tasted ok nothing crazy but now i just started a bottle from the ancillary guys (its red for some reason?!) and it burns like CRAZY! I cant even put a drop in my mouth whats the deal with that? if its the same active ingredient shouldnt color and taste be the same? at least now i know where to get my nolva!
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10-21-2004, 11:38 PM	#2
Du Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,085 Photos: 5	I havent bought from either of those sources. But, the liquid nolva Ive had is absolutely awful, the worst tasting shit in the world. I compare it to a shot of oily gasoline. (Shot as in the drink.) Its nasty, but necessary. Ive found that mixing it with orange juice masks the flavor a bit. Just be sure to overdose by a tiny bit, as some will be left on the side of the glass, etc. BTW, the active ingredient is a small powder, it is the liquid that it is suspended in that is awful.
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10-21-2004, 11:43 PM	#4
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Although both contain Taxomifen Citrate they are dissolved in different solutions. The M5 Tamoxifen is dissolved in propylene glycol. I'm not sure what the AG's Taxoxifen is dissolved in, but it's probably something like Peg 400 or everclear.
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10-21-2004, 11:46 PM	#6
Du Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,085 Photos: 5	Ive never seen a red Nolva. Mine have always been clear.
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10-22-2004, 08:58 AM	#12
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: idaho Posts: 5,379 Photos: 9	Why bother tasting it? It's not for human consumption but, i'd just squeeze that crap down and get it over with. Why let it linger? It would probably work best if you drank a liter of water after though.
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10-22-2004, 03:27 PM	#16
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	hey PURDUE POWER just curious how much weight did you lose during your first week of PCT? I am only 5 days into my PCT and had already lost 6lbs! My strength is way down too...i was really impressed with my gains but i guess it turned out to be mostly water
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10-22-2004, 04:38 PM	#18
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	yeah doing my best to eat as much as i can though clen has really suppressed my appetite and i have to force myself to eat. Pretty dissappointed, dont know what i did wrong
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10-22-2004, 05:01 PM	#20
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	gained 16lbs total, ran m1t without any 4ad. I am taking 60mgs of liquid nolva but that doesnt seem to help much. 6lbs might just be water weight but at this pace i fear to lose all of my gains pretty quickly. How long before its safe to say that i kept the gains? 2-3 weeks?
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10-22-2004, 05:15 PM	#21
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	I think you'll need a longer time to ascertain your lasting gains, maybe 6 weeks or so. How is your strength?
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10-22-2004, 11:44 PM	#26
VOLAND Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 36	Guys! What is nolva?
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10-22-2004, 11:55 PM	#28
VOLAND Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 36	Ineed! Helped enough, to relaize that I am in over my head ... reading t his thread
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