Thread: during workout drink

Originally Posted by juggernaut

What's the scoop on using a drink of 50% dextro/malto and 5% protein. What's the use? I tried and all I got was a sour stomach

5% is actually 50

How much malto/dextro was in your drink, total?

And you should be sipping it slowly throughout your routine. Gastric emptying is slowed during exercise, so if you drink it too quickly, you'll just have a gut full of sugar. Odds are you'll get a stomach ache.

What you described is my post wo drink. (25% cals from malto, 25% cals from dextros, and 50% cals from whey). I vary the total cals based on the size of the muscle group worked. I dedicate an entire wo to forearms, and will not have as many total cals on my post wo drink as say on leg or back day. I drink only water during my wo.

Originally Posted by Monolith

How much malto/dextro was in your drink, total?

And you should be sipping it slowly throughout your routine. Gastric emptying is slowed during exercise, so if you drink it too quickly, you'll just have a gut full of sugar. Odds are you'll get a stomach ache.

That's what happens. I feel like I gotta dooty. But dont. Should I continue this or what?

Originally Posted by Monolith

How much malto/dextro was in your drink, total?

And you should be sipping it slowly throughout your routine. Gastric emptying is slowed during exercise, so if you drink it too quickly, you'll just have a gut full of sugar. Odds are you'll get a stomach ache.

I use about 30 grams of dextro with 40 grams of whey.

You shouldn't be consuming anything during your workout except for water. The reason for this is if you consume a sugery drink blood will be needed in your gut (where it is not needed at this time) to digest the food taking blood away from your muscles (where it is needed) and resulting in less of a "pump" during your workout becuase there is less nutrients and water being forced into the muscles becuase of the lack of blood supply to the muscles.Resulting in a less efficent and Anabolic workout.
Your Pwo shake (which is what you are talking about carbs and Protien) should be a 2 to 1 ratio of carbs to Protien (40 grams of Protien and 80 grams of Carbs). The reason for this drink is after your workout you are highly catabollic and your blood Glycogen levels are deminished. Our goal is to take us out of this state as soon as and a shake of this nature is the most optional choice.

Originally Posted by IONOR

You shouldn't be consuming anything during your workout except for water. The reason for this is if you consume a sugery drink blood will be needed in your gut (where it is not needed at this time) to digest the food taking blood away from your muscles (where it is needed) and resulting in less of a "pump" during your workout becuase there is less nutrients and water being forced into the muscles becuase of the lack of blood supply to the muscles.Resulting in a less efficent and Anabolic workout.

Wow, thats fucking stupid.

Jack -n- Coke works for me. But I gottta hit the bong first to get in the mood.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Jack -n- Coke works for me. But I gottta hit the bong first to get in the mood.

Good ole' Texas boy here.

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Good ole' Texas boy here.

Sorry man but I had to be disruptive ... this thread was so tame and all . How ya been anyway Pirate? You vote yet?

Originally Posted by IONOR

You shouldn't be consuming anything during your workout except for water. The reason for this is if you consume a sugery drink blood will be needed in your gut (where it is not needed at this time) to digest the food taking blood away from your muscles (where it is needed) and resulting in less of a "pump" during your workout becuase there is less nutrients and water being forced into the muscles becuase of the lack of blood supply to the muscles.Resulting in a less efficent and Anabolic workout.
Your Pwo shake (which is what you are talking about carbs and Protien) should be a 2 to 1 ratio of carbs to Protien (40 grams of Protien and 80 grams of Carbs). The reason for this drink is after your workout you are highly catabollic and your blood Glycogen levels are deminished. Our goal is to take us out of this state as soon as and a shake of this nature is the most optional choice.

Where the hell did you hear this? You shouldn't be allowed to post for the next 24 hrs. Carbohydrates are stored as glycogen in your muscles and liver. Each gram of carbohydrates has about 4 calories in it and the more strenuous you exercise, the quicker your glycogen levels drop, which is what can lead to dizziness and headaches during exercise. Dextrose, which is a 6-carbon sugar called D-glucose, is one of the best sugars to consume during exercise because it is easily absorbed by your small intestine and ready for use rather than having to be converted to glucose by your liver. It also facilitates sodium absorbtion in your stomach which in turn improves water absorbtion making it easier to stay hydrated, which is what you want when your sweating your ass off during high intensity training. Consuming dextrose during exercise will also raise your insulin levels which whill drive more creatine into your muscles. While dextrose is basically an instant energy supplement for your muscles, fructose and sucrose are slowly absorbed and converted to fat in your liver making them uneffective energy boosts when consumed during exercise. If you look closely you will see that Dubya consumes dextrose while Kerry consumes fructose during exercise, so vote Dubya..

I though this guy was just making a poor joke ... is he for real?

ok-now I am more confused. Can we have someone with a medical or physiiology background?!

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Where the hell did you hear this? You shouldn't be allowed to post for the next 24 hrs. Carbohydrates are stored as glycogen in your muscles and liver. Each gram of carbohydrates has about 4 calories in it and the more strenuous you exercise, the quicker your glycogen levels drop, which is what can lead to dizziness and headaches during exercise. Dextrose, which is a 6-carbon sugar called D-glucose, is one of the best sugars to consume during exercise because it is easily absorbed by your small intestine and ready for use rather than having to be converted to glucose by your liver. It also facilitates sodium absorbtion in your stomach which in turn improves water absorbtion making it easier to stay hydrated, which is what you want when your sweating your ass off during high intensity training. Consuming dextrose during exercise will also raise your insulin levels which whill drive more creatine into your muscles. While dextrose is basically an instant energy supplement for your muscles, fructose and sucrose are slowly absorbed and converted to fat in your liver making them uneffective energy boosts when consumed during exercise. If you look closely you will see that Dubya consumes dextrose while Kerry consumes fructose during exercise, so vote Dubya..

Considering your muscles are 70 per cent water and is anabolic in it's own right.I would vote for good ol H20 during your workout

Originally Posted by Monolith

Wow, thats fucking stupid.

It's been scintifically proven your body can't procces food during your workouts

Then why do researchers like John Ivy and Robert Portman (both Ph.Ds and authors of the Nutrient Timing book) recommend ingesting simple carbs to reduce catabolism during workouts?

Originally Posted by IONOR

It's been scintifically proven your body can't procces food during your workouts

Actually little man, let me feed you a bit of knowledge because obviously you don't know that Beast from the X-Men is not a real doctor. During digestion and absorption, blood flow is increased to the stomach to aid in the process, but during exercise, our muscles need more bloodflow, so digestion is actually SLOWED during exercise, it does not totally shut down, and blood does not totally leave your stomach. Due to this slowing down of absorption of nutrients and digestion, it is more sensible to consume a sugar like dextrose due to the fact that it is one of the easiest absorbed sugars and it can be transported directly to your muscles rather than your liver having to convert it to glucose, because dextrose is infact D-Glucose. All im saying is that consuming dextrose during exercise helps with hydration, and so does water, as well as creatine uptake and several other advantages, so you continue to drink just water, ill continue to drink dextrose as well as water, you keep posting, and ill keep correcting you.

Originally Posted by redspy

Then why do researchers like John Ivy and Robert Portman (both Ph.Ds and authors of the Nutrient Timing book) recommend ingesting simple carbs to reduce catabolism during workouts?

You could probably find scietnfici sources backing up both sides of any argument.

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Actually little man, let me feed you a bit of knowledge because obviously you don't know that Beast from the X-Men is not a real doctor. During digestion and absorption, blood flow is increased to the stomach to aid in the process, but during exercise, our muscles need more bloodflow, so digestion is actually SLOWED during exercise, it does not totally shut down, and blood does not totally leave your stomach. Due to this slowing down of absorption of nutrients and digestion, it is more sensible to consume a sugar like dextrose due to the fact that it is one of the easiest absorbed sugars and it can be transported directly to your muscles rather than your liver having to convert it to glucose, because dextrose is infact D-Glucose. All im saying is that consuming dextrose during exercise helps with hydration, and so does water, as well as creatine uptake and several other advantages, so you continue to drink just water, ill continue to drink dextrose as well as water, you keep posting, and ill keep correcting you.

Yes however would consuming simple sugers in the form of Dextrose during your workout not take away from insulin sensitivity PWO?
Also would simple sugers not make you more prone to being dehdrated?
Its just that I read a couple of scientific studies (a while back that I can't seemed to find right now) and they all backed that consuming water during your workout was the best way to go however as you've said my reasons are flawed.

I'm with gococks on this one.

Originally Posted by IONOR

Your Pwo shake (which is what you are talking about carbs and Protien) should be a 2 to 1 ratio of carbs to Protien (40 grams of Protien and 80 grams of Carbs). The reason for this drink is after your workout you are highly catabollic and your blood Glycogen levels are deminished. Our goal is to take us out of this state as soon as and a shake of this nature is the most optional choice.

actually the proper ratio is 4:1 carbs to protein...

Originally Posted by LAM

actually the proper ratio is 4:1 carbs to protein...

As a general rule,on a bulk the amont of carbs to consume fallowing a hardcore workout is five grams of simple carbs for every ten pounds of lean body mass. This would mean a bodybuilder with 200lbs of lbm would consume 100 grams of high-glyemic simple carbs post training.
During a bulking phase the best method is to consume approximately half the amount of protien in grams as you did carbs in grams. (2 to1) So in this case our PWO shake would be mixed with 50 grams of Protien and 100 grams of Carbs.

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Actually little man, let me feed you a bit of knowledge because obviously you don't know that Beast from the X-Men is not a real doctor. .

HAHAHAHA best line I've seen all week

someone please suspend IONOR's posting rights before he hurts himself

I was just being comical, and didn't really mean that he should be banned