Thread: pro-roids cycling question...

I don't see any reason to do so many different kinds of PH/PS. I'd scratch the MD/1-T cycle altogether. I suggest doing an S1+ cycle for 4-6 weeks. Take 5 sprays twice daily. This would require 2 or 3 bottles. PCT for a month with nolva. Clen during the first two weeks of PCT is great. You can keep the calories up without getting fat or losing muscle. A couple months later, you could do an M1T/4-AD cycle. You should see great results with 5 mg M1T and 5 sprays of 4-Derm twice a day for 4 weeks. PCT nolva. After a few months, you could go for the same cycle with 15 mg of M1T. I wouldn't suggest doing more than 3 cycles in one year. You could cut on any of these cycles by simply adjusting your calories and cardio. Just don't cut during your PCT. You can use clen on cycle if it is a cutting cycle, but for bulking cycles I would utilize it during the first 2-3 weeks of PCT. I think using Creatine during PCT is a good idea, too.

thanks for that info. pirate

i will drop the MD cycles then... I hear what your saying if i'm running S1+, M1T and clen then whats the point

how much clen? and how often on PCT? my knowledge of clen is very basic, i will have to research it a bit but for now it would be good to know how much i'll need (for budgeting purposes)

so PCT I should keep eating high and run clen to keep the BF off? so say my PCT is 4 weeks I can run clen for first 2-3 weeks of that... then do I gradually reduce cals slightly just before i stop the clen, after the clen, or after pct or what?

start creatine on 1st day of PCT, and do that for how long 4 weeks? 6 weeks? 2 months? is mono (micronized) cool? (i'm pretty stocked up, got a load of micronized stuff and then ester came out so i need to use this up sometime)

thanks again for all the help man

Whatever creatine works for you is fine. Keep calories at at least maintenance level for the whole 4 weeks of pct. A little clen goes a long way. You don't have to stock up on it as it will still be around next year. Start at 60 mcg a day and work up to 160 mcg/day over the first week. Then keep it there for week two. If you want to go for a third week, do 200 mcg/day. Always in one dose first thing in the morning. You don't need to adjust calories to account for clen, just to further your purpose (cutting, bulking).

thanks man, well i can worry about gettin clen nearer the time then but i will prob just use M1T cycles for bulking (due to the blood issues/risks and all that), so i'll use it for 3 weeks like you said and gradually reduce cals to around maintenance level in the last week of my pct - as i'm guessing if my nat test levels are still pretty low and i'm still eating way above maintenance (as I will be while on the cycle) i'll be asking for fat gain

in the month after pct (like the off month, might do creatine or might just have a rest from supps. except the bare essentials, efas.. vits.. whey.. glut.. etc) providing I'm not cutting should I keep cals just above maintenance or at maintenance? is it okay to have a rest week during my 1st month off or should I leave it till the 2nd month off (i'm planning at least 2 months off inbetween cycles)

if i do decide to cut and i want to just use ECA would I do this right after PCT, or again should I leave a bit of time in their to rest/ease up a bit before pushing my limits again?