Has anyone tried VIM or Radic from Worldsize. They are the usual spray under the tounge hold for 20 seconds then swallow. They contain 19-Nor-diol and 4-Andro-diol plus some deer antler velvet extracts that are suppose to boost IGF-1. If anyone has tried the products or heard of the effects of deer antler extracts give me the info. I have a wholesaler that offered me 20 bottles of each at $10 a pop, which from their web sit they retail for $59.95. I do'nt want to buy a bunch of crap but since the ban passed, this might be a good deal when Jan.20 comes rolling around. Next we will be buying our creatine, Gglutamine and WPI off the black-market or paying a doc to write a script for the stuff. Supplements have come so far along in the past few years, I would hate to have to go back to the desiccated liver tabs, wheatgerm and brewersyeast days.