End of M1T cycle

**Gabby** · 11-14-2004, 12:14 PM

Just thought I would share the results of my 4 week M1T cycle with you all. I went with 10mg per day, 5mg in the am. and 5mg post workout. Stacked with 4 derm and continued with my usual multivitamin. Didn't notice too much in strength gain, but managed to put on 13 lbs in 3 weeks. The last week, I saw no changes. As far as side effects, the only ones I experienced were very mild headaches for the first week and some breaking out on my shoulders and back. Absolutely no nut shrinkage or loss of libido, must have been the 4 derm. Started my PCT of nolva, and milk thistle a few days ago, hopefully I can hold on to most of the weight gain. Thanks for the information you all provide on these threads, it was very helpfull.

**Luke9583** · 11-14-2004, 12:28 PM

keep us posted on how much water you loss man

**musclepump** · 11-14-2004, 02:35 PM

Were you stacking with 4Derm the whole time? Just wondering if you weren't, if you had lost your drive for ass on just the M1T.

**Tha Don** · 11-14-2004, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

Were you stacking with 4Derm the whole time? Just wondering if you weren't, if you had lost your drive for ass on just the M1T.

4derm is essential to keep any sex drive whilst on m1t, just m1t would shut you down very hard

most people stack the 2 from day 1

**Gabby** · 11-14-2004, 04:42 PM

Yes, I was using the 4 derm the whole time. 5 sprays twice a day.

**Robboe** · 11-14-2004, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by young d

4derm is essential to keep any sex drive whilst on m1t, just m1t would shut you down very hard

Not true.

Mine wasn't affected until a few days after i finished the cycle.

Du · 11-14-2004, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Luke9583

keep us posted on how much water you loss man

Hey Luke, was it you that has trouble with methyls, like bad sinuses etc?? I get that pretty rough, and am leaving methyls bc of it. Was that you?

**gococksDJS** · 11-14-2004, 05:29 PM

Just curious why you didn't up the dosage when you didn't see any results? Ive run M1T at 20-25mg's before with 4-Derm and the side effects were minimal and thats when i felt like i got the best workouts.

**Gabby** · 11-15-2004, 03:19 PM

I did see results, I definately put on size, just didn't see much in strength gains. I did think of upping the dose, but then I thought why, I've been putting on weight and size with 10mg. Also, Luke, I've lost about 2lbs in three days so far, probably water.

**Tha Don** · 11-15-2004, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by TCD

Not true.

Mine wasn't affected until a few days after i finished the cycle.

and this is running M1T on its own? what dose? and how long was the cycle?

**Tha Don** · 11-15-2004, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Just curious why you didn't up the dosage when you didn't see any results? Ive run M1T at 20-25mg's before with 4-Derm and the side effects were minimal and thats when i felt like i got the best workouts.

what dose you start with? and how long was it into your cycle when you decided... 'hey this shit ain't working lets up the dose!'?

**shutupntra1n** · 11-15-2004, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by young d

and this is running M1T on its own? what dose? and how long was the cycle?

10mg/day 3 weeks

**Pirate!** · 11-15-2004, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by du510

Hey Luke, was it you that has trouble with methyls, like bad sinuses etc?? I get that pretty rough, and am leaving methyls bc of it. Was that you?

Luke did have these problems, as did many others. Then again, Luke would have sides from a sugar pill. But, he responds to everything (except creatine), so the sugar pill that gives him the flu will also add 30 lbs to his bench. That is why he is Lucky Luke.

**Tha Don** · 11-15-2004, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by shutupntra1n

10mg/day 3 weeks

hmm interesting...

i might just run 10mg for 3 weeks too then, no need for 4 derm or a pct then!! plus i can still rise to the occasion when i'm hittin deez uni bitchez

**musclepump** · 11-15-2004, 04:27 PM

I would always run PCT. I just started my first PH (M1T) today, but man, I'd never take anything without knowing I was running a solid PCT regimen.

**gococksDJS** · 11-15-2004, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

I would always run PCT. I just started my first PH (M1T) today, but man, I'd never take anything without knowing I was running a solid PCT regimen.

You do know that M1T is not a pro-hormone? It's a pro-steroid. If this is your first PH/PS cycle be careful, and be sure to listen to your body

**shutupntra1n** · 11-15-2004, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by young d

hmm interesting...

i might just run 10mg for 3 weeks too then, no need for 4 derm or a pct then!! plus i can still rise to the occasion when i'm hittin deez uni bitchez

I did run PCT.

**shutupntra1n** · 11-15-2004, 04:41 PM

Not to mention the stack is primarily to counter act the sides wich I didn't have fortunately for myself

**musclepump** · 11-15-2004, 05:24 PM

You do know that M1T is not a pro-hormone? It's a pro-steroid.

Yep, I know. But it's not a real roid, so I figured it was better to start with this while it's still legal besides real gear. I asked the people who run the Natural shows I want to compete in and they said they only test for anabolic steroids, and M1T was, as of the time they wrote me, OK to take. So, I'm trying it. I am being careful though; the bottle says take 3 a day for four weeks; I'm taking one per day for seven days, two per day for four days, and one per day for the last three days. Then PCT with Nolva, ZMA, Milk Thistle.

Du · 11-15-2004, 05:42 PM

[QUOTE=musclepump]Yep, I know. But it's not a real roid......[\QUOTE]

**musclepump** · 11-15-2004, 05:49 PM

I know you were going to follow that up with something...

**gococksDJS** · 11-15-2004, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

I know you were going to follow that up with something...

He said WTF because it is a real steroid. It's an oral steroid and the reason why its called prosteroid and not an AAS is because by definition anabolic-androgenic-steroids are by law classified as controlled substances, and M1T is an anabolic steroid, but it is not a controlled substance as of yet so it is called a pro-steroid. Pro hormones require an enzymic reaction in your body before they become active hormones, like 1-AD, but prosteroids usually do not require enzymic reactions.

**musclepump** · 11-15-2004, 06:02 PM

Hmm... then I'm wondering why they're telling me M1T is ok to take before "natural" shows?

**Luke9583** · 11-15-2004, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by du510

Hey Luke, was it you that has trouble with methyls, like bad sinuses etc?? I get that pretty rough, and am leaving methyls bc of it. Was that you?

YEA! both methyl D and M1t..... HOrrible flu like. Almost to the point of not being ABLE to work out.

I've decided to not use PH's/ PS's

I'd like to get a handle on the diet thing

I'm actually seeing some good gains right now with just fish oil and a decent diet

AND I feel good

Du · 11-15-2004, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Luke9583

YEA! both methyl D and M1t..... HOrrible flu like. Almost to the point of not being ABLE to work out.

I've decided to not use PH's/ PS's

I'd like to get a handle on the diet thing

I'm actually seeing some good gains right now with just fish oil and a decent diet

AND I feel good

Yep, me too. MOHN isnt quite as bad, but it is definitely in that group, for me at least.

**Pirate!** · 11-15-2004, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by young d

hmm interesting...

i might just run 10mg for 3 weeks too then, no need for 4 derm or a pct then!! plus i can still rise to the occasion when i'm hittin deez uni bitchez

I know you are not serious, but she is a woman. Therefore, the usual sides we talk about don't apply.

Du · 11-15-2004, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I know you are not serious, but she is a woman. Therefore, the usual sides we talk about don't apply.

Like gyno? Id bet she wouldnt mind some extra gyno.

**Pirate!** · 11-15-2004, 07:17 PM

Like testicular atrophy or not being able to get hard. I don't think she needs any gyno.

**musclepump** · 11-15-2004, 08:02 PM

Man... a woman who couldn't get hard... could she live with herself?

**Robboe** · 11-16-2004, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by young d

and this is running M1T on its own? what dose? and how long was the cycle?

10mg working up to 20mg over four weeks. No 4AD.

I was randy as a coot for last week of it, then PCT, nadda. Barely morning wood.

Someone in here said they'd run for 3 weeks with no 4AD to not warrant PCT, dunno who it is and can't be arsed to re-read to check, but that is the dumbest idea i've heard. The 4AD is just to combat loss of libido during cycle. Post cycle your ding-dong is not gonna ring for a long time unless you get some 6-OXO or nolva, even with such a short cycle.

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