Thread: glutamine - how much and when?

Never take glutamine.. there are no studies that show its beneficial, unless used in intravenious administration, or used on severe burn victims.

If you do use it, dont take it with protein. It cant be absorbed properly if you do(not like it matters).

PreMier, then why do so many take it?

Because they 'think' it makes them recover faster.. "Oooh, right there, yup my protein synthesis levels just returned to baseline levels. Guess i'm recovered... this glutamine is miracle stuff"

Classic

So it does nothing at all?

Not really(unless for severe burn victims/intravenious administration).. Dont believe me? Look at the test studies www.pubmed.com

It's not that I don't believe you, it's just something new to me and I'm suprised.

I'll go read the link.

interesting premier... any adverse effects from taking it?

Originally Posted by cfs3

So it does nothing at all?

glutamine is very helpfull especially when calories are severly restricted as it does help to reduce muscle cataboslim. most people never get serious enough about there diet to get down to single digit body fat to actually experience the benefits of glutamine for this purpose...most just talk out of their asses when it comes to using glutamine for this purpose

Originally Posted by ChrisROCK

interesting premier... any adverse effects from taking it?

Lighter wallet?

Like LAM said, its good for dieting, along with BCAA's.

Originally Posted by ChrisROCK

How much glutamine do you all take per day, and at what point in the day?

With just water, or do you mix it in with Whey shake?

run a search for it man! there have been loads of questions like this

Never take glutamine.. there are no studies that show its beneficial, unless used in intravenious administration, or used on severe burn victims.

Premier, Could you be a little more precise for me? Are you saying that

a) no comprehensive oral studies have been done?

OR

b) oral studies have failed to prove its effectiveness for weight training?

Side note: Failure to prove a hypothesis does not disprove the converse. In other words, it's possible these incidental positive reports from glutamine users are still valid.

B.

If you really mean that, then the "side note" applies.

Your right. Anything is possible, but I will conform on the side of science for this one.

Originally Posted by LAM

glutamine is very helpfull especially when calories are severly restricted as it does help to reduce muscle cataboslim. most people never get serious enough about there diet to get down to single digit body fat to actually experience the benefits of glutamine for this purpose...most just talk out of their asses when it comes to using glutamine for this purpose

Hmmm... so I guess there are benefits to using this especially during pre-contest time.

That's not what I meant. I actually thought you would respond with a third choice:

c) oral studies have disproven its effectiveness.

I don't think that's the case. If you do, I'd like to hear more.

If you really mean "b," then "science" is telling you that the data is inconclusive. You can't say either way whether the hypothesis is true.

Well, I cant really debate on this issue, because I havent read anything on glutamine in a looong time(due to my view on it). Basically it is only useful in extreme conditions, those of which are stated above(severe burn trauma/competition dieting/and marathon running). To the average BB it is worthless.

Glutamine is an awesome supplement. Use it. 20-30 g per day. It works. Not placebo effect. Take it 365 days per year. L-glutamine on an empty stomach. Peptides can be taken with food. I don't give a rats ass about the studies that say it does not work. It does...its proven itself in the real world. End of story.

Originally Posted by gopro

I don't give a rats ass about the studies that say it does not work. It does...its proven itself in the real world. End of story.

go gopro go !!!

I just started taking mine yesterday gopro , with the guidelines you gave me

To support what gopro said , I talked to multiples personnal trainers about glutamine , and they said the same thing as him.

Originally Posted by simbh

go gopro go !!!

I just started taking mine yesterday gopro , with the guidelines you gave me

To support what gopro said , I talked to multiples personnal trainers about glutamine , and they said the same thing as him.

Well, glutamine has been a big topic of debate for a long time. If someone just reads a scientific study on it, and then claims it doesn't work for anyone, and that its all placebo effect, then I label that person a moron. However, if they try it themselves, use it correctly, and for a long enough period...and THEN feel it did nothing for them, then I 100% respect their opinion. Not every supplement works for everyBODY.

I respect Premier's opinion on this topic, but anyone that feels it is useless for them must still respect the people that use it and feel it is beneficial to their bodybuilding efforts. And from my experience, it works extremely well for 8 out of 10 people that know how to use it.

Does all glutamine taste real bad? I'm looking for some that I can drink without gaggin.

I wasn't really saying that glutamine works or doesn't work. I was saying that the studies being quoted are inconclusive.

ok, gopro...how do i use it "properly" then? some guidelines? thx

take it rectally!

Originally Posted by ChrisROCK

ok, gopro...how do i use it "properly" then? some guidelines? thx

How to use glutamine

Answering the question of how much glutamine to consume is somewhat difficult. There is not one blanket answer to cover every variable. Things to consider when determining the amount of glutamine to consume include body weight, activity level, lifestyle stress, overall health, and diet. Another variable to consider is what you are using glutamine for. Is it to prevent OTS, stimulate growth hormone secretion, help boost your immune system, or replace sugar in your post-workout drink?

To assist in preventing OTS I recommend consuming glutamine both before and after training, and before bed. Again, there are too many variables to give you an exact amount to consume. Generally five to ten grams pre and post workout, and before bed is a good place to start. If you are on a very low carbohydrate diet, you may want to consider upping this amount, especially in your post-workout drink. Glutamine can increase glycogen storage by as much as 16 percent if consumed post-workout. 4

I have seen recommendations as high as .44 grams per lean pound of body weight. Consuming high levels of glutamine about a half an hour before a workout will leave you with a memorable experience. Upon experimenting with 30 grams of glutamine pre-workout, I experienced increased muscle volume to the point that I could no longer contract the muscle. No other supplement, including creatine, has ever given that intensity of “pump” before. I must warn you, however, I have had some people tell me they experience nausea when consuming large amounts of glutamine per serving (even with large servings I have personally never experienced any side effects). But, at the same time, they also said their workouts were some of the best they’ve ever had. Interestingly, while I was experimenting with larger servings (30 grams pre/during workout and 15 grams post-workout) I found it nearly impossible to get sore muscles. Normally I’m hobbling around in shear pain for four or five days following a hard leg workout; I was obviously ecstatic to be able to walk around pain-free. This experiment is hardly scientific, however, if you suffer from delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS - the intense muscle pain that occurs and peaks about 48 hours after a workout) I suggest you consider adding glutamine to your supplement routine.

Unfortunately, like so many other topics relating to our bodies, the amount of glutamine one should take offers no black and white blanket answer. Use the above recommendations as a guide and look to your body for feedback. If you gobble down 30 grams of glutamine, then feel like you’re going to blow chunks, reduce your next serving size. If you have any nausea, or stomach discomfort start with small serving sizes and gradually introduce larger amounts.

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