Thread: 1-AD/4-AD Stack Safety Question

I guess my questions is does 4-AD's ability to reduce the side effects of 1-AD make it SAFER or just more comfortable?

i believe that by reducing the side effects the cycle will be safer, and more comfortable

stacking 1+4ad is definately a smarter option than using 1-ad alone

Up to you I guess ... From what Ive read , 1-ad usually gives very little sides. Im about to do a 1-ad cycle (in 20 days to be exact) and Ill just do 1-ad since the sides seems to be pretty low.

Sides from 1-ad are minor at regular doses. Stacking with 4-AD won't make it safer, but will help counter the sides. It might shut you down more, though.

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Sides from 1-ad are minor at regular doses. Stacking with 4-AD won't make it safer, but will help counter the sides. It might shut you down more, though.

regular dose meaning 300mg a day?

i'm unsure what dose to run, i'm just going to do 1-ad as a first cycle (as i want an oral cycle before i run m1t), and I know 1-ad is a good choice for first cycle, due to its low sides should give me a good chance to see how i react and what to be aware of

i can get the 180caps bottle of it for a good price, if i ran that over 6 weeks that would be on average 400mg a day, reckon i should go 400mg straight or taper up the dose from 300mg-500mg over the 6 weeks? i'll be running 200-300mg of 4derm along side this (basically i'll stretch 2 bottles of 4derm over the 6 weeks, can't think i'll need that much 4-ad for the 1-ad)

this look okay with you (pirate)? or should I get 2 1-ad bottles and run double the dose?? - but then again it is my 1st cycle so maybe the low dose will be sufficient for decent gains the 1st time round? then i can build on this low dose 4-ad cycle with a stronger S1+ a couple of months later, let me know your thoughts

peace

Well , Im gonna start like I said in 20 days ... AFter the holidays cuz well , I have a friend comming back to town , and were gonna go out and drink a bit ... But from what Ive heard young d , you should start at about 300mg a day and see if you have good results from that ... If you have good results , why taking more and risking having greater sides ? Anyways , Ill be doing 300mg a day for 4 weeks ... Unless I really see nothing , then I might up to 400mg. I have the damn bottle sitting in my closet , I cant wait to start !!! But , I know alcool is a big NO NO when you are on prohormones , so its better to wait , have a bit of fun in the holidays and then start the new year booze free with my 1-ad

Young D , when will you start your cycle btw ? If its before me , mind doing a journal so I can check out how its going for you ?

Originally Posted by simbh

Anyways , Ill be doing 300mg a day for 4 weeks

Run it for 6 weeks. I don't understand why people run a mild PH like 1-AD for only 4 weeks, i started seeing my best gains half way through the 3rd week. M1T is a different story, but I say go 6 weeks, and if you want bump up the dosage halfway through.

I'll most likely be starting soon, too, simbh. My stuff should be in Monday or Tuesday, and if I start first I'll keep you posted.

I think I'm going to try just the 1-AD first, and if the libido loss/lethargy gets too me, I'll add some 4-AD. But I'm only gonna take 300-400 mg a day, so it shouldn't be a problem. (So I hear)

Originally Posted by simbh

Anyways , Ill be doing 300mg a day for 4 weeks

i agree with goldcocks, run 1-ad for 6 weeks thats what i'm doing, i've heard some people don't experience noticable gains until the 4th week! so a 6 week cycle is a must

well i come back to uni on the 10th, i might go straight onto it then or might give myself upto 2 weeks to get back into my eating and training at my gym here at uni again, so the latest i'll start will be the 24th, that will keep me on it feb, pct march, break up for easter, month off april, s1+ may, pct june, cutting over summer - eca + clen! then in august s1+ or the dreaded m1t depending how brave i'm feeling

just a lil insight into my schedule for all the millions...

i'll post up news on all my cycles, you should journal yours, yours will probably run just before mine

peace

Ya I will journal mine ... As I already have a journal . So , its just gonna be in my logs. I guess Ill start of with 4-5 weeks , if the gains satisfy me , Ill stop to that , if not , Ill go up to 6 weeks.

Once upon a time , there was this french canadian ...

FYI. PH's and alcohol aren't necessarily dangerous together. ITs methlyated PHs because of the abuse they put on the liver, like alcohol. Regular PHs are broken down in the liver with a little more work than usual. Obviously you are wasting your time taking PHs and drinking at the same time because of the effect it has on test levels etc, but I don't believe there is any sig issue, unless again it is a methyl.

Originally Posted by young d

i agree with goldcocks, run 1-ad for 6 weeks thats what i'm doing

haha, its gococks as in go gamecocks

Originally Posted by MTN WARRIOR

FYI. PH's and alcohol aren't necessarily dangerous together. ITs methlyated PHs because of the abuse they put on the liver, like alcohol. Regular PHs are broken down in the liver with a little more work than usual. Obviously you are wasting your time taking PHs and drinking at the same time because of the effect it has on test levels etc, but I don't believe there is any sig issue, unless again it is a methyl.

Probably so , I still want to be very cautious as it will be my first ph cycle . I rather do it right and avoid alcool . I want to have the best results I can possible have , so no alcool is the best way to achieve this.

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

haha, its gococks as in go gamecocks

Goldcock sounds better bro, it has a James Bond sound to it

The original goldcock.

Originally Posted by thatguy

The original goldcock.

ROFL!

call me cock..............................goldcock

Originally Posted by simbh

Probably so , I still want to be very cautious as it will be my first ph cycle . I rather do it right and avoid alcool . I want to have the best results I can possible have , so no alcool is the best way to achieve this.

I agree totally. I wouldnt do it, I was just giving the reason why some arent used but that it wouldnt kill you unless you were doing mass doses. I dont drink while on any PH and hardly drink at all. Although I did get a little shitty last night. Ouch!! Had to run my ass off today to make up for it.

Young d, your cycle looks fine, IMO

Weeks 1-6: 1-ad @ 400 mg/day (dosing throughout the day).
Weeks 1-6: 4-ad @ 200-300 mg/day (dosing twice daily).

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Young d, your cycle looks fine, IMO

Weeks 1-6: 1-ad @ 400 mg/day (dosing throughout the day).
Weeks 1-6: 4-ad @ 200-300 mg/day (dosing twice daily).

okay, i'll take the 1-ad as follows...

100mg with breakfast, 100mg w/ 2nd meal, 100mg w/ pre-workout shake and 100mg w/ my post workout meal

and 3 sprays of 4-ad in morning and 3 sprays after my shower post workout

can't wait to finally run something, hopefully it will calm me down, i'm too excited, hell with xmas presents! give me my PH cycle!

Same here man , like I said , the only reason Im not starting now is alcool My buds from high school are comming to town for the holidays , so Ill want to party with them a bit , its the only reason why I aint starting now . But damn , I cant wait to start , its like a late xmas present for me ... I think Ill mark my calendar and each day Ill cross the day that has just passed and hope that every remaining days goes on faster than the day before

The way ya'll are talking, you'll both probably start before me. I think I'm gonna start around January 5. That'll give me about three more weeks to train and try to come back from my layoff. I've gained five pounds in the past week, and my body fat hasn't changed at all, so I think it's gonna come back pretty fast.

I am also very excited about it and will look forward to hearing how both of your cycles are going. Post a thread or PM me to keep me updated.

Sure dude , like I said , just check out my journal in the first week of january ... Ill probably be starting around the same date as you ...