Please read (regarding when to take supps)

**reg56** · 12-16-2004, 12:53 PM

Hey, I'm about to purchase 100% whey and creatine monohydrate from bulknutrition. I'm just wondering when I should be taking these and how much during the day. I have been using the whey, but I just ran out. I was taking 1 scoop in the morning, 1 after workout, and 1 at night. I have not used creatine before but I am aware of the whole loading period stuff. I just don't know if I should load or not. If so, how many heaping teaspoons should I be taking during the day and when should I be taking them? Same question about after the loading period.

**Tha Don** · 12-16-2004, 01:32 PM

yes i advise that you do the loading phase, gets the creatine into your system much much quicker then if you skip it

for loading take 1 teaspoonful (approx. 5g) first thing in the morning, before your workout, post workout, and in the evening

for maintenance take 5g before workout and 5g post

if you can get your hands on some dextrose mix 20g with each 5g creatine serving, its not essential but it will improve the absorption of the creatine which is certainly a good thing

hope you enjoy your first shot at creatine, i know my first creatine cycle was fab!

**Pirate!** · 12-16-2004, 01:38 PM

Solid advice, Young d!

**reg56** · 12-16-2004, 02:34 PM

Thanks man

**repeej** · 12-17-2004, 11:52 AM

I was wondering the same thing. Will be starting Creatine this weekend also. Thanks young d.

You mentioned "cycle". What's recommended by those in the know....stay on it all the time or cycle on and off???

**simbh** · 12-17-2004, 12:26 PM

That depends on who you are ... A lot of people will say you need to cycle and a lot of people say there is no need to. A cycle is usually , by those who say it is beter to do it , about a month on and 4-6 weeks off and repeat. I know various people who are on it all the time and they don't seem to have any problems , its really up to you I guess.

**QuestionGuy** · 12-17-2004, 12:45 PM

yeah, im on creatine most of the year, the only time i get off for a couple of weeks i when i run out and wait to get another one, it really not a big deal to cycle creatine since its not anything "special" like other supps,,, but my question is, why the hell do you drink so little protein ?? you should probobly have 2 scoops after workout and probobly 2-3 times that the whole day..

**Stu** · 12-17-2004, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

yeah, im on creatine most of the year, the only time i get off for a couple of weeks i when i run out and wait to get another one, it really not a big deal to cycle creatine since its not anything "special" like other supps,,, but my question is, why the hell do you drink so little protein ?? you should probobly have 2 scoops after workout and probobly 2-3 times that the whole day..

3 scoops of whey is more than enough per day. most of your protien should be coming from food

**squanto** · 12-17-2004, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by stu21Ldn

3 scoops of whey is more than enough per day. most of your protien should be coming from food

agreed.

**PreMier** · 12-17-2004, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by stu21Ldn

3 scoops of whey is more than enough per day. most of your protien should be coming from food

That depends... I use 6-8 scoops a day.

EDIT: Just so im not flamed.. thats less than a 1/3rd of my daily protien intake.

**QuestionGuy** · 12-17-2004, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by PreMier

That depends... I use 6-8 scoops a day.

EDIT: Just so im not flamed.. thats less than a 1/3rd of my daily protien intake.

thanx for mentioning this here it would be a great thing to talk about, yeah i get about 8 scoops (around 150 grams protein) a day and then i get my other 150-170 grams in food.....we need more people in here this could be interesting, i think what im doing is fine, tho i do feel a little gasy and bloaty when im on a bulk (i am right now) anyone else wanna join the discussion ?

**simbh** · 12-17-2004, 06:02 PM

Premier , Im just like you , I eat about 6 scoops a day. And its about the same thing here , less than 1/3 my daily intake.

For the gas , geezus thank god. IM NOT ALONE !!! I get the nastiest gases . LOL

**QuestionGuy** · 12-17-2004, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by simbh

Premier , Im just like you , I eat about 6 scoops a day. And its about the same thing here , less than 1/3 my daily intake.

For the gas , geezus thank god. IM NOT ALONE !!! I get the nastiest gases . LOL

hahah yeah, my room smells like shit during bulking, my friends are going nuts because i lock the winsdows in my car and they threaten to open up the door on the highway, hahaha i get a good laugh......................yeah but now to the other topic, i get about half my protein intake (maybe a little less) from my shakes the others are food, is that bad>? it has been that way for ever with me never hurt me much, is there something better i could do ?

**crazy_enough** · 12-17-2004, 07:13 PM

The bloating is aweful for me during a bulk....I m taking 10 g creatine/day and 5-6 scoops whey and to add to that wonderfully "smelly " combination, I eat lotsa fiber! I was told CEE might resolve that issue...Its pricy as hell though!

**QuestionGuy** · 12-17-2004, 07:33 PM

nahh it doesnt really resolve it altho i dont feel as bloated on it as on mono. and it really works better than regualr mono

**crazy_enough** · 12-17-2004, 07:35 PM

I was also warned of the foul taste..But dont mind that if it can reduce the bloating a bit...I just didnt wanna invest that much into it without knowing that it has the potential to resolve the issue...before divorce happens here!

**QuestionGuy** · 12-17-2004, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by crazy_enough

I was also warned of the foul taste..But dont mind that if it can reduce the bloating a bit...I just didnt wanna invest that much into it without knowing that it has the potential to resolve the issue...before divorce happens here!

hahahhaha yeah, it does kinda help, also it will help your strenght out, it is overall a better product and if you can find it for a good deal i would get it, i like it and it helps me a lot, i cant speak for all tho

**PreMier** · 12-17-2004, 07:47 PM

http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/...products_id=76

100grams for 6.99 Thats not bad.. spend the $7 and if you feel its worth it, buy more. I bought the kilo.. Its a shit ton

**crazy_enough** · 12-17-2004, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by PreMier

http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/...products_id=76

100grams for 6.99 Thats not bad.. spend the $7 and if you feel its worth it, buy more. I bought the kilo.. Its a shit ton

Cant...I live in canada. I had never heard of such low prices, I checked it out rigth away and it dont accept my address...

Whats the dosage like compared to mono? still split it in half(pre and post w/o)?

**PreMier** · 12-17-2004, 08:09 PM

I take 5g a day, post workout. With mono, it was double that.

**redspy** · 12-17-2004, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by crazy_enough

Cant...I live in canada. I had never heard of such low prices, I checked it out rigth away and it dont accept my address...

Whats the dosage like compared to mono? still split it in half(pre and post w/o)?

Crazy - Try trueprotein.com, they have great prices on CEE too. Not sure if they ship to Canada though.

**Tha Don** · 12-17-2004, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by repeej

I was wondering the same thing. Will be starting Creatine this weekend also. Thanks young d.

You mentioned "cycle". What's recommended by those in the know....stay on it all the time or cycle on and off???

cycle time on creatine varies substantially, some guys use it for a month then take a break, other guys use it all year round

personally i like to run creatine for 8-10 weeks, then come off it for a bit... the reason i do this is to give my kidneys a break and to stop myself becoming too dependent on creatine, but there is nothing wrong with running it for longer periods of time as long as your training hard and drinking lots of water, i also find it bloats me a bit which is another reason i like to cycle off now and again

regarding the whey issue i take upto 8 scoops of whey a day, i also get plenty of protein from other sources but i use the whey to insure i'm getting protein every couple of hours (its great when i'm in a rush, just mix up some whey add some oats and theres a little meal in seconds!), the idea that whey is only good post-workout is bull.. its a great source of protein any time of the day! and its cheap too! (ON whey

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peace

**NiceGuy** · 12-20-2004, 08:04 PM

Take your Creatine on an empty stomach, 30 minutes before breakfast. Then take another dose around 8 hrs later on an empty stomach.

**FIONEX** · 01-05-2006, 05:04 PM

Some people really kill the protein supplements but that's their choice. Don't follow what others do 100% because not it won't necessairly work for you.

You don't need a ton of protein (approx 1 g. per 1 pound of body weight), else you'll have dead kidneys in no time because they're trying to detoxify your blood from all the amonia that's produced by forming proteins from amino acids. Some people are obviously more genetically resistant to kidney damage and nothing happens, others aren't so lucky. Either way, you should try to take in more protein from food products because it's "healthier" (notice the quotes). Besides, you get more nutrients from real food such as tuna, because you obtain healthy fatty acids like omega-3 and omega-6.

The theory around creatine is that once you start supplementing your body with creatine, you're inputing an excess of a compound that the body naturally produces. The body adapts over a LONG time and stops producing creatine in the same levels that it use to do. You won't get ahead by constantly taking in creatine because your body will reduce the amount of creatine it makes. So you either have to keep increasingly taking more creatine, or you have to do an unloading phase to allow the body to start producing higher levels of creatine on its own. Now taking creatine for a long time won't harm you either because the body is counting on you to supply the creatine. When you suddenly stop taking it, your body will have low levels of creatine for a short period of time before it starts adapting and producing more creatine on its own. So do you see why cycling is the most effective path? During the cycle, you're basically increasing your creatine supplies for a few weeks.

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