simbh

If you ask me , just dont go around telling everyone you have some ph/ps . Hide them carefully , hopefully leave em at home. If you have to take em during work , just bring the quantity you need for the day and just tell everyone its creatine or whatever . Or just hide as you take it ... I don't think its that hard to do.

When a goal is reached comes satisfaction . You're accomplished as a person when you surpass those goals .

MTN WARRIOR

What fucking planet are you from? Every state is different as PC is regulated by state government, not the federal government. The PC laws are written vaguely to allow for searches when "gut feeling" is the only proof. Let me show you how this works:

You forget to signal a right hand turn.
You get pulled over. Officer asks, did you realize that you didnt signal that right hand turn. "Oh, sorry, I guess I didnt". Do you have a drivers license? Sure. Can you tell me why you didnt signal? I guess I just forgot. BAM!! You are done. You just demonstrated to him (legally) that something must have caused you to forget a normal driving law. It is now legally probable that you are under the influence of something which caused that. It continues...
Officer says" I feel you may be under the influence of something, mind if I just search your vehicle for your safety and mine". You say (cause you listened to this idior named LAW74) "Don't you need a search warrant?" BAM!!! You just did it again. You are no giving him (legal) PC to search your vehicle without your consent because he feels it is probable that you are hiding something.

And the trunk is part of the car.

THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL ME, CERTAINLY MUST MAKE ME STRONGER

MTN WARRIOR

OUCH. THAT WAS MY BULLSHIT DETECTOR GOING OFF!!!!

THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL ME, CERTAINLY MUST MAKE ME STRONGER

QuestionGuy

NICE DUDE, I was gona bash on this guy also but I didn't want to because it takes a lot of writing and I figured everyone is gona get back at me as if I was the bad guy........Anyway, you said it right. A lot of idiots just ask for trouble, because they are to kooky and think they know the law. FOR EXAMPLE: One of my first rides ever on training, It was 3 in the morning Saturday night, we parked our patrol car in a dark place to write out the report for the night, all of the sudden I hear a loud muffler and sure enough I see 2 guys racing down the street at above 60......as we were puling out with our lights still off, he noticed us and pulled over to a mexican restaurant got out quickly and headed inside (he must have thought that if he wasn't in the car we couldn't to anything) we pulled behind him and just embarrassed him even more in front of all his friends by yelling at him to get back in his car. (we yelled because he was pretending to not hear us.) When we got to his window we said "did you just pull me over because Im black and you think im a trouble maker" (you feel like punching people in the face sometimes, but you still have to remain professional) we said that we saw him racing and that why we pulled him over. To that he responded "how do you know you don't have that speed measurer thing" we said we don't need one because we saw you racing. He became quiet and we gave him a ticket for exhibition of speed which is like 500 dollars here.

The thing is you are always gona see an asshole officer who just had a bad day, but if you keep your cool and not be a smart ass about the law then you might get away with some things. Also cops hate people who bed not to get a ticket, beggers always get tickets.

Vieope

QuestionGuy

What???? Banned supps ?? No since you can talk about illegal steroids I dont think talking about illegal supps is against the law...if thats what you mean

Vieope

BigDyl

No, He'd be like; "Looks like you got some illegal substances here. 7 HTP. Hmm, that must stand for Hyper-Testosterone-Prohormones. Ah lean system, whats that got in it? I'm gonna guess DBOL. Sir, put your hands behind your head, and step out of the car...."

Total ownage.

iMan323

With all that detective power, how come there's never a cop around when ya need one?

QuestionGuy

nah, talking about suppliers and shit like that probobly would be...But just talking about cycles and info wouldn't be. I hardly even go into the steroids forum at all and I really don't know shit about the illegal stuff so I wouldn't know much about it anyway but I really don't see a reason it would be illegal. Ofcourse there is probobly a taskforce out there who is going on these sites and checking if people spit out some names and locations....

QuestionGuy

they are only a call away.

iMan323

What I'd like to know is how much the average cop walking the beat knows about PH's. I'll definately ask my friends in NYPD what they were told to be on the look out for.

QuestionGuy

You are right, cops are only humans and they cant know erverything, but trust me they are trained and more prepared then you. It's called officers discresion, If it was me who caught someone with pro-hormones after their bann, and they could provide me with a reciept that they bought it before the bann then fine. (if it was a small amount and for personal use) then I would give them a break, if they are not a known criminal. But rememer most cops are also "bodybuilders" and people who love to lift weight so they know some stuff about supps too..... Plus I mentioned the thing about the hooker who hides her crack in the cigaret box and thinks noone will find it,(well everone does that)

QuestionGuy

They know a shit load, well depends on which one you ask. It all about experience man and all about the officer. All the officers I know are guys who regulary workout, I know 4 who were in bb shows....

QuestionGuy

And by the way, I bet you did not know this one either, it is a big crime to take a perscription medication out of its original bottle and put it somewhere else, yet people do that by mistake and get in trouble sometimes. So watch out for that shit, if ur gona stock up on hormones then leave them at home and shut up about it....

iMan323

Excuse me, but there's a terrorist in my soup...he could hide weapons of mass destruction in the crevices formed by his abdominal muscles.. HA HAAA

I hate the law.

QuestionGuy

the more mad people get abot the law the more fun we have, and the more we can make fun of people when its all done.... hehehe

brodus

I have to agree with QuestionGuy here on the way to deal with police. I have been pulled over many times, sometimes for very innane things like a taillight, once for a truly stupid thing like stealing a ground light from my college campus, and having my plate called in from a maintenance person.

My experience is this--honesty (to the degree necessary), calmness, and cooperation work to your advantage. Exctiement, anger, and "pulling the books," do not work. When you are pulled over, you are not in the driver's seat--the officer is. He is all that stands between you and a lot of trouble. Can you beat the "probable cause" charge? Maybe, if your local DA isn't hardnosed, but you're going to spend a night in jail and probably $4,000 on court costs. A lot more hassle than a $200 posession ticket and misdemeanor charge that will drop off.

When I tried the "I know the law" spiel, I got arrested. I also heard that giving a statement was a bad idea, so I didn't. Well, this showed the officers and detective just how interested I was in cooperating. You all realize these notes go to the DA who has seen everything before, right? Which also get to the judge, who determines sentence and punishment? Needless to say, painting the officers and detectives as combatants is only asking for a fight, and you WILL lose, trust me.

Other times I have been pulled over after a couple drinks, probably drugs on someone in the car, and I was calm, cooperative, and told the officer I had a couple drinks at a party. He asked to search my trunk. I said ok. He didn't even search it. No ticket, nothing. I've been pulled over w/o insurance, w/ bad tabs, etc., and in each case the mood and interaction with the officer set the tone. Realize, if he's having a bad day, you're screwed regardless. But if he's a decent guy, you have a good chance of receiving lenient treatment if you're cool about it and don't have priors. There's such a thing as officer's discretion.

BTW-->If you're worried about your trunk being searched, don't drive with a trunkload of illegal shit! Take a bike ride! Or be prepared for the consequences.

Don't be a hero for the sake of a line in a law book. It's pointless, I know.

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QuestionGuy

nice said man!! But people will never learn and we deal with same shit every day so of course we know where everyone hides their shit and cops deal with the same problems over and over again so please don't be a smartass becasue you can only dig yourself a deeper hole by "knowing the law "

law74

Look, even if a cop did pull you over, like I said earlier unless you give consent to a search cops rarely are justified in conducting searches of vehicles. Especially conducting searches for PH/PS. the cop would have to believe that it was more likely than not that you had not just drugs, but PH/PS on you. Cops are never allowed to conduct blanket searches merely because they are suspicious. There is still the 4th Amendment, and don't ever listen to what the fuck a cop tells you about the 4th Amendment they are usually dead wrong. They know what thety were told in cop school and the info is usually bad. I get searches kicked out of court all the time because cops frequently conduct illegal searches of cars, people, etc. The biggest problem is that people always give the cops consent to search. If you give consent, it doesn't matter if the initial stop was illegal, the contraband is usually coming in. Never consent. They will not go easier on you if you consent. They will take you to jail and then all decisions are made by the district attorney. If you refuse and they search anyway you at least have a chance (sometimes pretty fucking good) that the contraband will be suppressed. Cops expect people not to know what their rights are. My suggestion to anyone, whether you are doing anything illegal are not is to educate yourself on what your rights are. Buy any decent book about understanding criminal law or an outline of criminal law. These can be purchased cheaply from any law school or University bookstore. People died so we could be free, and not live in a fucking police state.

brodus

Yeah, and it costs your clients $4,000 and a night in jail vs. a >$500 petty fine.

There is a huge difference between what goes down in a book and what goes down on the streets. I have a very low opinion of criminal defense lawyers. You promise more than you can offer, and in the end are bound by the same rules. You eloquently gloss over the fact that your job in life is hardly serving as the grand protectorate of 4th ammendment freedoms, but actually sifting through the minutae of law in order to get GUILTY clients off on technicalities, quite often costing them more than the original problem might have deemed. There is such a thing as contrition--in the eyes of judges, parents, DAs, etc., when someone takes the blame for something they did, it is seen as the morally responsible choice. When they fight to maintain what all parties know is a lie, they turn a battle into a war.

BTW-->People didn't die so you could illegally transport narcotics in your trunk. You're argument is guilty of a multitude of logical fallacies, that I question your integrity...you did take philosophy pre-law right?

Are those cops in my district, Humboldt Park, Chicago, IL, who have to deal with 50+ homicides per year just part of the "Police State" for searching vehicles when a truckload of guns is known to have been delivered in the area? Why don't you ask the residents of my neighborhood how they feel about it, after we've had 2 innocent killings this summer in drivebys.

Get a grip. Just because you win a couple cases for your stoner trustafarian friends in God knows what tiny district does not make you an authority on geopolitical realities, crime indicies, human philosophy, or much else. The vast majority of society understands that dangerous elements require relinquishing sometimes very small measures of personal privacy in order to protect the greater good, and since the vast majority of society doesn't transport narcotics, stolen guns, children, or steroids, they consent not out of ignorance but out of respect for the law. It has fuck-nothing to do with a police state. Your flippant use of the phrase betrays your naive understanding of that which you speak.

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QuestionGuy

You are a fucking idiot, If you were next to me right now I would punch you in the mouth asshole, how about some respect to the people who get spit on and yelled at and die for you everyday.We are the ones who do all the work, you just sit there and whine and lie about things. Bottom line if I want to search your car I will find a reason, I am a rookie and still not even out on the streets alone, im sure court shit happens and officers fuck up, but you better damn give those people respect we are nothing less then those guys serving our country in Iraq. You are sitting here filling people with shit so when they get pulled over to cause the officers more trouble and cause more trouble on themselves. Bottom line, If you don't let me search and I have a reason to search I can impound your car and then search it. We are not talking about cops who don't have a reason to search we are talking about cops who do, and you are sitting here and telling people not to cooperate so they get into deeper shit. You are a little bitch and you have no idea what happens out on the streets man. You say cops dont give you a break if you cooperate???? Well sometimes they do and sometimes they dont because they have a job to do. A lot of officers pull people over for drunk driving and are supposed to arrest them, well if the people are nice and cooperative sometimes they just park the car on the curb and make them walk home...That was just one example how things can go...damn man, dont disrespect people who die for the public like that just like you would not disrespect our troops in Iraq.......................OH and MTN WARRIOR WAS RIGHT UP THERE !!!

brodus

We're all Americans, we're all citizens. Beware of anyone who pushes you into "us vs. them" ideology. I wish we could remember this sometimes. Our culture is dominated with polarizing rhetoric.

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brodus

The Bill of Rights is not a get out of jail free card, even though some lawyers say otherwise.

The illegal search and seizure Ammendment, i.e. 4th Ammendment, grew out of our forefathers desperation when faced with the "writs of assistance," which allowed British troops to enter and raid your HOME.

Although their is a historical chain of legal precedent extending 4th Ammendment to also include protections on your auto, even the lay person can immediately see the gulf between intention of 4th Ammenment and application in terms of car-related drug busts, for instance.

Further, a true police state is akin to Hitler's Nazi Germany, Castro's Cuba, etc., where dissidents are killed, jailed, detained, etc., for their beliefs alone, or for "smuggling" anti-government propoganda, or for nothing at all.

Here in America, naive pseduo-intellectuals find symmetry between dumb asses and dissidents, and try to argue from a context of "dissident supression," when in reality, most people don't care enough about how much weed they can legally possess, and those that do, are, well, not really part of the majority.

See, the problem law-dawg is running into is that the PEOPLE of America, not a self-imposed dictator, have spoken, through their votes and elected officials, to pass certain laws that prohibit things deemed morally dubious for society, at best, and harmful and destructive at worst. If the people didn't support these actions, then yes, you could make a case against it. But by and large, people do support the law, and understand it's sad but very real necessity in a corrupt world.

I can only believe that an alternative analysis would be based on something other than fact.

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brodus

This coming from someone who has never worked a PH/PS case, since there have been exactly ZERO so far.

This is pure speculation, and not based on any precedent.

In other words, he's saying if you get stopped and searched for pot b/c the officer thinks he smells it, and instead they find an 8-ball of coke, you'd be innocent b/c they didn't have probable cause established for cocaine.

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brodus

Like I said in my original post...keep the shit at home, and you'll never need to worry about this shiaat.

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QuestionGuy

If I pull you over for speeding and ask you to search your car for any drugs or illegal weapons and you say yes (notice I did not say what kind of drugs) and I find cocaine and arrest you, I still have to cite you for speeding because that was my reason for the stop in the first place, If you dont do that then shit might go wrong in court......

QuestionGuy

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law74

Actually majored in philosophy at an ivy league school. Also don't charge my clients a thing. I work by court appointment only so the fee is free. I could work in the private sector and make a ton of money but I do believe in the 4th Amendment that is why I choose public service. DOn't you dare question my morality boy.

law74

If your lawyer ripped you off, tough shit. I don't get clients off on technicalities, unless of course you consider a little thing like the constitution and the rule of law a technicality. It is attitudes like yours that allow freedom to evaporate just because cops tell you something is a threat. Read a book for god's sake. Also just because cops may do something does not make it legal or right. Sorry, but I am much more scarred of cops with the unlimited ability to search and detain citizens, than whether somebody is transporting pot in their car. I don't think a cop should ever be able to search a car for drugs.