QuestionGuy

Idiot.

Twigz

Yeah, right on Law, fight the power. Oh, ahh wait I am that power. Law you have some issues witht he laws that allow us to serve the public. For some reason you decided to become a defense attoney and now beieve that all cops are evil, sceeming, lying, cheating ..... bastards. Well, i'm here to tell you that ost cops are not. Most of us try to help people out. I did'nt sign up for this job to throw everyone in jail. Also if we were never allowed to search for drugs, then think of all the crap that would be floating around out there. We do this job to protect the community, and try to supply a better way of life in the U.S.

You seem to be blaming the cops for all this, when in fact we are just doing what the law makers of this country (which are elected by the majority) tell, or order us to do.

You also seem really worried about this who drug thing. Did your supplier get busted or what?

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QuestionGuy

Man this guy is an idiot is you read all my posts and his. He doesn't even answer to all the things I wrote to him........Did you read anything I wrote?? becasue he is ignoring it all.

Twigz

I hope you are not calling me the idiot. I think you mean Law right? Because I agree with what you are saying QG. You know what they are like if you have been to court. We are all corupt, and power hungry.

Well im off to illegaly search people and violate someones rights.....

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QuestionGuy

Yup, Thats what we cops do of course. I meant law is an idiot not you. I am sorry for offending him like that so many times but all those post I wrote come down to one thing: " GIVE US SOME FUCKING RESPECT " that's my objective, to make people understand that. Most of the lawyers I know are pretty respectfull and cool with the officers, but of course when they protect a client they play dirty. I just don't get it, I wrote all this stuff in my posts and he totally ignores it.

QuestionGuy

Make sure you steal money from people and use unlawful excessive force.

RCfootball87

Well you want to know the law and your rights and shut up about them not yell it out like a madman, but you also don't want to openly cooperate with all the meaningless demands that some disgruntled cops make. If they ask to search your car try politely asking "Am I being accused of some kind of crime?"
My problem is I have a tendency to snap off because I hate like 8 out of 10 cops I've ever met, and in my neighborhood, you don't talk to the cops. But I was once giving a statement about a car accident while in possesion of marijuana and a switchblade, you just have to reemmber that the cop is dealing with something different and had no reason to suspect me, 15 years old at the time, of any wrong doing, so I was totally safe.

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BigDyl

WTH, is everyone a cop that posts on these forums?!

Shit!

**Hides his soon to be illegal pro-hormones**

I mean uhh, pro-protien....

Total ownage.

RCfootball87

I could honestly give a fuck about drugs floating around the community, if illegal drugs were legalized, it would save an incredible amont of taxpayer dollars, let a whole lot of people out of jail that shouldn't be there, and save a whole lot of people from getting killed, cops included. It's scary how they can look at prohibition, a virtually identical situation that was resolved by lifting the law, and just continue to throw money away and people in prison. It's sad. Alcohol is legal and it's more dangerous than most illegal drugs as far as causing violence is concerned. And don't start with this 'everyone would be on drugs...' thing. Drugs are not hard to get for most peolpe and they never will be, the cat's out of the bag and the government might as well except that and move on.

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law74

Benjamin Franklin said "He who trades liberty for security, deserves neither liberty nor security." Sorry to ignore. Not my intention at all. I don't have any problem with cops at all. My cousin is a cop and I hang out with him pretty frequently, we get along great. Cops serve an essential function in this country. My problem is with fundamental freedoms being stripped away because Drugs are such a "threat" to society. I am not afraid of most cops. I am concerned with the power that we as citizens have handed over to the state in order to protect us from the evil black drug dealing menance. Most cops use this power responsibly, however there are some who don't. I really do think the founders of this country would be astounded at the level of intrusion the government has into our lives today. The 4th Amendment was placed in the Constitution for a reason, to protect us, the citizens, from the government. However, once you hand over a freedom it is usually gone for good. The freedoms from governmental intrusion and interference that took centuries to secure can be lost in an instant and are next to impossible to get back. And just because the government is not kicking in my door today doesn't mean they absolutely won't tommorrow. the power that we hand over to the government to protect us today can easily be used agaisnt us tommorrow. So my problem is based upon principle. I did not intend to offend any particular law enforcement officers. But I distrust all forms of organized power, just the way Thomas Jefferson told me I should.!!!

law74

Also, I appreciate the hard work you officers perform, but it is the very fact that drugs are illegal that causes all of the social problems associated with them. If a person wants to sit around his house and smoke crack all day that is fine with me. The problem is because drugs are illegal the price becomes ridiculuosly inflated. This leads the drug addict to either (1) Commit crimes to feed his habit, 0r (2) begin selling drugs himself. If cocaine was a legal product a kilo would cost about $10. It is more difficult to refine sugar. So if a guy wants to do coke until his head explodes, fine with me. I don't use drugs for various reasons but I just firmly believe that the government should not be acting as my parent and telling me what I can and can not do. If I am only hurting myself that is my decision. If I go out driving and hurt someone charge me with a crime. My freedom ends where your nose begins. But I don't want the government all up in my nose, and playing with my urine. The world would function just fine if drugs were legalized. Just slap a big warning on the bottle that says "IF you do this it will fuck up your life and probably kill you." That way we could build more schools instead of prisons. Many European countries have had remarkable success with legalizing or at least decriminalizing narcotics. This is my last post on this subject. I know this will make you all very happy. Just a final thought. Is anyone on this board a criminal because they are using prohormones today. Are they horrible deginerate people. Well after Jan.20 these people are now criminals. Law abiding one day, A felon the next. It makes no sense to me why someone who is not hurting anyone else should be labled a criminal for what they put in their "own" body.

BigDyl

Heh, this law guy knows his stuff....

I think...

Total ownage.

iMan323

I like libertarians too.

G-man

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both".
Benjamin Franklin

"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny".
Thomas Jefferson

QuestionGuy

Well I always said that this country is not all that "FREE" like the people who have been living here all their life say, but then they start bitching at me. This country is just inflated and trus me we are not "free", dont get me wrong I love our country but please, before you judge that our country is "free" and the greatest, do some traveling instead of watching the news.......oh and yeah, dont compare yourself just to iraq and bullshit countries like that.........GOD BLESS US ALL, THE WORLD....

As for everything else, lets just drop it and let this thread rest in piece.......I love my job and my future and I feel happy about it, there are people who will never understand and never respect the "EVIL POLICE" but that is fine with me, I dont mind being called names for the job I do, I just wish that people see how things are thru our (the police) eyes, becasue we sure do also see thru your eyes, but we still havea job to do. And as for the cops in someones neighboor hood, well I dont talk to people I dont know either when im in civilian clothers so why dont you introduce yourself...sure there are assholes out there but just becasue a guy pulls you over to do his job and gives you a tickets or takes you to jail doesnt mean that he is an asshole................But im just a rookie who cares to much to do the right thing and make people understand but I guess ill grow used to it and not even bother to talk about things that I did above in other posts.........

BigDyl

Geez, QuestionGuy, I know your passionate about your job, but sometimes your rants sound crazy.

I'm curious to see if anyone can out argue this law guy. I sure as hell could not. I do agree with alot of what he is saying though.

Total ownage.

RCfootball87

Pig...........just kidding

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Twigz

Ok, BigD I will try to argue the other side. Go get something to drink and eat and use the bathroom, before you start reading.

First of, the basic message is that "big brother" is controlling us by making drugs illegal. This in a way is true, but for the other part it is used to protect us. Let me ask you if you would allow your work to test your blood every time that you go in for a day of work? Now, I know that most of use said "hell no", but consider the fact that you are a doctor, or a brain surgeon. Now if you were having surgery today on any part of your body for that matter, would you want your doctor to be stoned, or whacked out on LSD. I sure as hell would not. Now, people say that this wouldn't happen because it would be just like alcohol, where you just couldn't be under the influence while working, but what way do we currently have to test for the presence of now illegal drugs. One of the best methods that I know is blood, but then when you go to work you would have to give a blood draw every day. Also alot of drugs are hard to, and expensive to test for, not to mention that some are out of the system in short periods of time well still haveing lasting effects.

Second, the statement that Law makes with the fact that drug are illegal, which in turn causes all the problems "commit crimes to feed habit, and begin selling drugs". This is in essence true, but drugs also cause other problems, which may lead to crimes, not just to feed there habit. Lets take PCP/Ketamine. These substances cause people to become deranged, profuse sweating, increased pain thresholds, increased strength, extreme body heat, causing then to frequently take off all there clothing, and slow and incomplete responses to stimulus. This would be a great on to legalize due to the fact that we don't have enough crazy's running around on the streets now. Then there are the hallucinogens, which you can pretty much guess how poeple act on those. Now when it's legal and everyone can just walk into there local walmart and pick up a bottle, including kids because we all know that kids can and will get it when just as they do with cigs and alcohol, the problems will become more wide spread than what they are now, and people complain about paying higher insurance for smokers with health problems......

This will still lead to crimes, thefts would most likely sky rocket (subsequently causing the average consumer to pay for the losses with increased prices of everything else), due to the fact that a lot of the drugs are either physically or psychologically addictive. This would cause the person to crave the drug and in turn as is the case may times now, they would do anything and everything to obtain the product.

You also say that "If I am just hurting myself that is my decision. If go out driving and hurt someone charge me with a crime. This is one of the problems that we are trying to deter. Why wait for some whack job high on crack to run over your family on the sidewalk. I would much rather prevent them from even having that chance. Its like alcohol, that is legal and people still don't respect it the way they should. People constantly have the opinion that they are not that drunk, so they can drive. This would increase by unknown amounts if they now had the choice between drugs, and/or alcohol.

There are way to many variables to look into, before you blindly make a statement about legalizing all drugs, just because the only reason that they cause problems, is due to the fact that they are legal.

Third, the founding fathers made the constitution amendable due to the fact that they wanted it to flex to fit the times, as times have definitely changed since the U.S.A. was established. I do believe in the constitution, and I know that some laws are crap, I won't argue with that, but for the most part the laws and constitution are put in place to defend that majority of the population.

Fourth, The government is not kicking your door down due to the fact that you are not doing things that are deemed illegal by the "elected" politicians that represent this nation, but yes if you do start to do thing illegally you are right, they will send proper personnel to do so. If you do not agree with the way things are going than voice your opinions at the polls. I know everyone says this doesn't help, but t should if enough people get off their lazy asses and do it.

Fifth, you distrust all forms of organized power? This makes me worry. Due you just wish to have people do as they wish? If I am correct you are just stating a famous quote "absolute power, corrupts absolutely", I think thats it. In this matter I agree, the more power that we let them take out of our hands and place into there own, the more they will take from us, but like I said earlier f more people would pay attention and do something about the asshole politicians that just keep taking, the people could have the power, that they should.

Last, (finally, sorry ) no people that use prohormones, or any drug for that matter are not horrible degenerates, but prohormones are most likely being banned due to the fact that someone thinks that they are dangerous, and misleading. In a way I agree with then, I have seen the products, and read the labels. At least the ones that I have seen don't mention that you need post cycle treatment, or any other thing that may happen. On the other hand I do also agree with you to a point, that people should be able to do things with there own bodies, but they should do so with the correct information before they start.

One other thing that bothered me was your comment "evil black drug dealing menace" sorry to bring race up, but were you trying to state that this is in some way bias towards "African American" (hope that's politically correct still) ?

SORRY, so long, just trying to be specific.

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QuestionGuy

that was good, By the way, did you know that president bush canceled gov funding to the "COPS" show???? The COPS show payed for equipement like vests and other stuff for the department but now our great president fucked it up......



Everything else was nice in you post, I wish you freaking back me up here, im fighting to get people to see stuff thru our eyes here not just think we are assholes......LOL, I know it'll never happen...

RCfootball87

Good he cancelled funding to "Cops." It's propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and show cops when theirs a show on a competing network called "Thug$" were gangsters film themselves running around being big men like the cops on that show think they are, and donate it to incarcerated felons. Knowing that show is no longer publicly funded makes me happy. I guess you can kinda tell I hate most cops. Although there's exceptions, a lot of guys on this forum who are cops taught me a lot about supps, so I can't argue with that. I guess my experiences with cops and former law breaking ways have skewed my viewpoint. At least I admit I'm biased, unlike CNN

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brodus

Please read my arguments in threads 48 through 56. [If you need an outline with key points highlights and the responses (or lack thereof), I can provide something tommorrow.]

Note that none of my key points were addressed by the "law man" who flexes his "ivy league" degree, yet whose own command of language and lack of original thought positions him firmly in the realm of an amatuer thinker, at best. He still operates within a pedestrian false dichotomy of us vs. them, which is compounded by his general naivete regarding steet life and organized criminal activity; all of which is viewed through the glasses of a stoned revisionist historian who hasn't lived nearly as much as he pretends. If you gather up all of his points and string them together, aside from being a regurgitation of a tired and unrealistic platform, you'll notice that the epsitemic weight of his points is rather flimsy and not at all based in the realm of fact, but in the realm of hypothesis and fancy. Of course, that's if you chose to think that deeply. If you want to keep running around circular logic, you certainly have that choice, as "lawman" has inarticulately explained. In order for his points to work, you must become insensitive to mountains of evidence, and enter a realm not unlike being stoned. Not to mention you have to pretend the US is the same as an imperialist monarchy when weighing their actions, which is an apples-to-oranges juxtaposition I am unwilling to subscribe to.

Isn't it so much easier to see, based on blatant fact, that elements of criminal underground are deserving of much more fear than the police? Of course, if all you worry about is getting off on your dope charge in white suburbia, perhaps. Where I live, the vast majority of people approve of GREATER police involvement, not less, b/c people who commit crimes don't play by any of the rules the police do, and consistently wreck the good created by the majority.

But, nonetheless, I guess it's easier to play faux thinker or "progressive" when in fact nothing that has been said by "lawman" is revolutionary or forward-thinking.

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brodus

BTW, SciFit just released 50mg. M1T capsules and markets them as "equal to 15mg. D-Bol."

How can anyone who knows what's up with M1T honestly think that's okay?

Well, anyone that gives a fuck about anything other than themself?

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Twigz

Go brodus. You are right that cops have to play by the rules. I have to worry about following the rules ever time that make an arrest. If by chance I don't follow the slightest rule, the guy that just killed 12 people, and sold crack to second graders would get off. On the contrary. the criminal gets to do whatever they wish. He wants to walk into a building and shot 20 people he can. Then I have to go in there and give him the chance to surrender. After hours of talking about how life real isnt that bad, and he should just give up.... . Then we go in and he basically has to shoot me before I am allowed to shot at him. Then I get to perform CPR on him to attempt to save his life after he just killed those people and attempted to kill me. When this is over, I then get to read about myself in all the local anti-cop printed material (aka newspapers). Were everyone says that he was such a nice man, that he always kept to himself, and never would hurt a fly. The cop on the other hand has a complaint in his file from 10 years ago that says he was to rough on some 400 lb, whacked out lunitic on PCP (complaint submitted by lunitics wife). Why did that mean cop have to shoot him in the chest. He should have just shot him in the leg, or shot the gun out of his hands (like we all see is so easy in the movies) .

Ok, I feel better now. Anyways most people have no idea what is is like to see the shit we see in a day, and they never will thanks to the brave men and women that serve this country everyday to prevent everyone else from having to deal with this crap. QG no worries, I got you back anytime you need it. Stay Safe.

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brodus

My precinct here in Chicago deals with over 50 homicides per year, including innocent drive bys. Believe me, no one in my neighborhood doubts the importance of the police. We are all part of a community...any one who tries to pit citizens against police officers who operate within multiple layers of law in a democratic nation state has suffered a breakdown in understanding. Actually, in my experience, the only people who hate police officers are people who are breaking laws, and they take it out on cops instead of trying to legitimately change laws via the established channels....and if they lose, the holler "conspiracy," when instead all they have witnessed is democracy and majority rule.

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Pirate!

And for the last week I thought this guy was full of shit: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...545716084&rd=1

PreMier

Someone is going to die..

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law74

Brodus, first, if you are going to try to use big words at least know what they mean. Epsitemic is not even a word man. Did you mean like epistemological, as in the theory of science and knowledge? There is no such word. Also Brodus, you in no way adressed any of my points, instead you merely tried the old refutation by denigration technique, which is truley lame and "played out," in which you merely try to attack the messenger without addressing the message. These things are really cute.
I really was trying to let this die but you just keep this on a respirator. It is a fucking zombie. I never said I hate cops. I just don't trust them. I don't trust most people. Sorry Twigz, but I am not buying that tired old argument about how tough you poor cops have it. You signed up for this shit when you became a cop. If you don't like the rules you can quit. It is also a bullshit argument to complain about "I make one mistake and the murderer gets off." That is such a load of shit. Yeah maybe the gun that you illegally seized was suppressed, possibly the confession that you obtained by violating his rights might get thrown out, but if your case is even halfway decent you have nothing to worry about. I have only seen one murderer (besides OJ) ever get away with it, regardless of what evidence was suppressed. I have seen many innocent people go away to jail for very long periods of time. Look into the innocence project at NorthWestern University or the programs at Columbia that are getting men off of death row. Men who were innocent, the DNA evidence proved it!!! And you want me to just role over and have me blindly trust you because you are some fucking hero cop. No way!! My job is to keep you as honest as possible. If you do your job right, you have nothing to worry about from me because there is very little I can do. If you are incompetent and abusive, or lazy and just bring in any old suspect who might be a match, I will give you hell. As I should. If you do your job right you will never have any serious problems. Think of us defense attorneys as internal affairs with law degrees. Only us public defenders get paid even less than a rookie police officer who only has a high school diploma. Your job is hard as hell. You have to deal with very difficult and stressful situations. your life is on the line. Guess what, Taxi drivers have a greater chance of being killed doing their job than you do in yours. The point is everyone has a hard job. You choose this line of work. I deal with the same people you do. I represent alot of them. Some are indeed very bad people. Quite a few need to be locked up for a very long time. However, many of the people I have represented, people I heard the police speak of so disdainfully while waiting at the jail to interview, I discover are pretty decent people. Some down on their luck, quite a few mentally ill without proper medication or treatment, and many, many drug addicts, who have no business being in a prison.
I can come up with a million examples of how police have abused their authority. you can come up with a million examples about how much defense attorneys suck balls. the point is people need us as much as they need police officers. You protect them from the immediate threat. We protect them from the ever lurking and potential threat of abuse of power. That is why our founders designed an adversarial justice system. Read about the Star Chamber some time. Occured in Britain. Sir Walter raleigh had a hell of a time. We are just one of the many checks and balances in place.
Last, so what if Sci-Fit has 50 mg m1t. Should people who use Sci-Fit go to prison for a mandatory 10 years. The answer is no. Well we do that to drug addicts every day. Locking someone up with a disease is a crime in my opinion. Should Sci-Fit be punished. Sure, In a civil court, for failing to warn the customer about the danger. Possibly criminal negligence in knowing the risk of the product and still failing to warn. But if you give people a warning the problem is then theirs. I am all for personal responsibility. And all of the problems of street life you talk about, I probably know more than you. I engage the community, hang out with people from the community, try to be active in these communities. I do not just ride around in a car and jump out for 5 minutes to shake down some kids on a corner. I have been harrassed and assaulted by cops for being white and being in these neighborhoods. They get scarred now when they find out I am a lawyer. They don't like those complaints in their folders. they li9ke it even less when you file lawsuits against the city for being abused by police officers and win!! Do your job, do it right, and be an exemplary police officer. People will then respect you, as they should. But respect and trust are earned, never given.

law74

OK that is it for me. No more! Let us get back to talking about supplements and weightlifting. that is what we are all here for anyway.

brodus

First of all, Epistemic is a word, but I wouldn't expect you to know that:

http://education.yahoo.com/reference...ry?id=e0182700

The fact that you doubted that erases your importance from my mind.


BULLSHIT...if you view yourself as internal affairs with a degree, I'm the secret service motherfucker, and you're full of shit.

In the U.S. AND Canada there were 606 fatalities TOTAL from 1980 to 1994.

http://c.rathbone.home.att.net/list.txt

If you're not a cabbie in NYC, your risk is extremely low.

In contrast, there were 154 officer fatalities in 2004, which is lower than the average of 164. By extrapolation, during a 14 year period at a low average of 150 per year, that makes 2100 in the U.S. Alone.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=41056

Now, you might say that not all were shootings, and you'd be correct. We don't have taxi numbers for shootings either, but for your sake we'll pretend they were all shot. AT a low average of 57 per year, we get 798 shooting fatalities during the same time period--again, this is only the U.S., too.

If we were to factor in all forms of death, the numbers would be even more slanted toward police officers.

More recent numbers indicate the same thing:

That's slightly over 35 per year, again, nowhere near the 57 per average for police officers.

Furthermore, police are on the receiving end of non-fatal assault to a much larger degree as well:

From the OSHA safety bulletin:

"Taxi and livery drivers are also among those with
the highest rates of nonfatal assault—183.8 per
1,000—exceeded only by police (306.0 per 1,000)
and private security guards (217.8 per 1,000)"

Once again, you're totally off-base in your assumptions. I've lived in the middle of NYC and Chicago, where I currently reside. I actuall "live" in these "neighborhoods," hang and entertain in my area, and know the cops, too. But, like most mildly educated people, you think in dichotomies, you probably still use terms like liberal and conservative, and you think anyone who views the cops as "the enemy" will be seen as hip, and people who don't are square or conservative, or whatever thin adjective you pick. To be honest, where I live, the assumption among everyone is the only crooked ones in the equation are the lawyers. That goes for the bars and clubs I work in, the police officers, YES the defendants, the dealers. We all know where we stand when the ball is in play. Anyone transporting drugs knows what the fuck they are doing.

When in fuck do you ever put your neck on the line for anyone? I saw a total drunk jackass who was grabbing girls inappropriately get beat down last night for calling my neighbor, the doorman, a n**** and swinging at him. He left in an ambulance--thank god you weren't there.

What's the worst thing that can happen to you? You lose a case? It's not like you're going to do time in jail for that, or nurse a broken arm. Quit painting yourself like some honorable civil servant. You didn't even know language from whence law came until I schooled you, bitch.

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