Law generates rush on soon-to-be-banned drugs

redspy · 12-21-2004, 07:48 PM

USA Today
Dec. 21, 2004 12:00 AM

SAN FRANCISCO - With a new federal anti-steroid law kicking in next month, bodybuilders and athletes from coast to coast are snapping up the last bottles of popular products, including "Andro," which soon will become banned drugs akin to cocaine.

The shopping frenzy comes amid a government crackdown on illegal steroids and a widely-publicized sports doping scandal involving Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative founder Victor Conte and three other men, including Greg Anderson, a longtime friend and trainer of baseball's Barry Bonds.

After Jan. 20, it's a crime to sell, buy or use "prohormones" and "steroid precursors," which are substances that turn into testosterone when ingested. advertisement

But that isn't spooking customers, who like the way the substances - marketed and sold over the counter as diet supplements - build muscle mass and strength.

"I'm stocking up. I just bought about $1,000 worth," says Dan Phillips, 45, of St. Louis, an amateur bodybuilder who also owns a supplement site. "Obviously, if I get caught with it I'll be put in jail, which is even more ridiculous."

Steroid precursors made headlines a few years ago when former St. Louis Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire admitted he used androstenedione, or "Andro." Prohormones, which many say are much more potent, followed.

As the market grew, dozens of U.S. companies in the $19 billion diet supplement industry began selling prohormones and steroid precursors online.

"Customers really like these products, and they want to keep using them," says Ryan Deluca, Chief Executive Officer of BodyBuilder.com, an online company in Boise, Idaho.

BodyBuilder.com has only 10,000 bottles of prohormone products left, and they're moving quickly at $20 or more. Deluca says he probably will sell out by Dec. 31.

Diet supplement companies that hawk the products are urging people to act now. "DO NOT WAIT UNTIL JANUARY TO STOCK UP" reads the Web site of Fitness First U.S.A., a Portsmouth, N.H., company.

On the Web site of HouseOfMuscle.com, founder and weightlifter Joel Sward writes: "If you want prohormones after January 20, you will be forced to break the law and buy them on the black market. No one wants to deal with that, so buy 12 or 24 bottles and give yourself a cushion."

But industry officials warn customers they could be arrested for using the products after Jan. 20.

"While people may be stocking up, they risk being federal drug offenders if found in possession," says Michael DiMaggio, executive director of the United Supplement Freedom Association (USFA), which represents diet supplement companies.

iMan323 · 12-21-2004, 09:27 PM

Yeah, hmm... The funny thing is I never even considered PH's before this ban. Now, I have a huge stash. I know this'll sound like a surprise coming from a liberal, but....FUCK THE GOV'T OF THESE UNITED STATES. LEGALIZE IT. (oh and pot too)

QuestionGuy · 12-21-2004, 10:26 PM

that fucking sux man, i was told its gona be illegal to sell but not to have for personal use...

redspy · 12-21-2004, 10:37 PM

This is a post from steroid law guru Rick Collins:-

Quote:

Actually, the new law seeks to increase ALL steroid (and prohormone) penalties, not just those near schools. Steroids will remain in Schedule III. However, the new law asks the U.S. Sentencing Commission to review the way steroids are treated under the federal sentencing guidelines. You can expect to see a revision of the guidelines to permit those charged with steroid crimes involving LESSER quantities to get sacked with LONGER prison sentences. Once that happens, you can expect to see a heightened interest on the part of DEA to investigate steroid crimes.

PreMier · 12-21-2004, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

that fucking sux man, i was told its gona be illegal to sell but not to have for personal use...

Its ok.. cops are always using steroids.. your cool.

redspy · 12-21-2004, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuestionGuy

that fucking sux man, i was told its gona be illegal to sell but not to have for personal use...

If you keep your stash hidden away at home you won't have a problem. If you travel with PHs obviously the risks increase, a lot of juicers are caught following a police search of their car.

If you order PHs (post ban) through the mail the risks are greater as the package may arouse suspicion by postal inspectors - they may be able to get search warrant to open the package (for first class/priority mail.) If you have items shipped via private courier (Fedex, UPS etc.) they can open the package without probable cause or a search warrant.

QuestionGuy · 12-21-2004, 10:55 PM

yeah both of you are right. I wont be traveling with it but even tho no one is going to know about it im still gona feel bad, im starting my cycle after new years and its gona last 2 months (including pct) and after that im never touching them again, except i have a fucking bottle of oxavar that is unopened that i need to get rid of or use. Its weird becasue im a rookie and I try to do everythin right and be the good guy, but I know real life isn't like that, Im gona see if im gona use the oxavar or not..

law74 · 12-21-2004, 10:55 PM

Red Spy is quite right. Only use USPS to order. They do need a search warrant to open it. Never, ever let the cops search your car when they ask. Police have absolutely no right what so ever to search a car of its contents unless it is based upon probable cause, and speeding, tail light, registration do not provide probable cause. To search your trunk cops actually need a warrant (that is unless you are arrested) to search through your trunk. Never, Ever, grant a cop consent to search anything. No one argue this one with me I know what I am talking about.

QuestionGuy · 12-21-2004, 10:59 PM

[quote=law7 No one argue this one with me I know what I am talking about.[/QUOTE]

why is that ?

law74 · 12-21-2004, 10:59 PM

If people in general were more engaged in government dumb shit like this ban would not happen. Also it is a very liberal comment to say FUCK this government. Liberals are for legalizing most things. Liberals are very oppossed to the criminalization of victimless crimes. Oppossed to what the nasty conservatives say Liberals actually want the government out of most peoples lives. Did not intend on starting a politicla thread but this ban makes me angry. I to have never used PH's before but now want to stock up just in case I ever do. The government has actually made this substance more attractive to me by making it illegal.

law74 · 12-21-2004, 11:00 PM

I am a criminal defense attorney

redspy · 12-21-2004, 11:00 PM

Good post Law.

I recently read the Legal Muscle book from cover to cover and although it's scary it's essential reading if you're planning on using anabolics, whether it's PHs or traditional AAS.

iMan323 · 12-21-2004, 11:18 PM

If you have to carry PH's on you, what do you think is the wisest method?

redspy · 12-21-2004, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iMan323

If you have to carry PH's on you, what do you think is the wisest method?

Empty a bottle of vitamins/supplements and put the PH caps in there. Just by looking at the caps no one will know they're PHs.

QuestionGuy · 12-21-2004, 11:27 PM

great, thanx guys, you are giving me great tips to share with the guys at the station........ what do you think cops dont know that one already??? You are gona be like the hooker who is hiding crack in the cigaret box................ " it's just cigarets, and they're not mine!! "

Northy · 12-21-2004, 11:42 PM

Just more ways for the Govt & Policing agencies to get more money out of the people, easily. Its sad when the media only shows the people who were stupid using ephedra (whatever that baseball pitchers name was - RIP) or about the 13yr olds using PH's. I always knew if anyone ever had a illegal subs in their car they better hide it fucking good.
In my own personal experience, at least where I live, any excuse to search your car/home for anyway to incriminate is what the law (police) does.
Example: I just leased a car (2004 GTO

) and a passenger with me had "a drug" in my car". Later that night I was driving home from the club and I noticed my left tail-light was out, so I didnt think twice and drove home. About 3miles from my house pos pre-1990's lebaron Conv. was going 15mph on the speed limit, so I decided to pass. About 100ft ahead of me was a cop, just sitting there. I was pulled over for reckless driving (dropped) and tailgating (dropped). My buddy was rolling a cigarette (tobacco thankyou) and guess what, Rolling your own cigarettes means you have drugs. Car was searched, I got the ticket for OWI (funny how looking tired makes you look high - charge later dropped due to blood work) but I did walkout with a nice posession charge, along with my friend having the same. After all this and going through the courts, probably spent a good $4,000 with drug screenings, probation - 9 monthes. Just like to say thanks for the aggrivation.

Just some advice, those of you who will be using PH's after the BAN, keep it at home, because this is how its going to be. Whats next, OWI from... Using PH's? I can see it now "HES GOT ROID RAGE! HIS INTOXICATED BY PH'S! ARREST HIM!"
I know to hide "certain things". I just never thought I'd have to hide anything that was in my Gym bag.

QuestionGuy · 12-22-2004, 12:04 AM

The sades part of your post here was that the tail light of a brand new 2004 GTO was out...??? WTF ??? ............. Anyway, the cop pulled you over because he had reason to do so, you looked suspicious and he had reasonable doubt to search your car, and his instincts are right, he found what he was probably looking for. So how is that not your fault?? I doubt that you didnt know what that guy had on him but you should be careful who rides with you.

Oh and did you know that the poor guy was just doing his job??? Yes, cops do that.

PS: no need to fight now. I feel bad for you because of the tail light tho that is a weird thing.

Northy · 12-22-2004, 12:21 AM

Its to late to argue, and I've already have the great feeling of knowing the two officers who arrested me have been fired - not due to my case though (thanks local newspaper) Turns out alot of seizures they have taken mysteriously were in the wrong amounts.

I've dragged OT again. Anyways, QuestionG, I hope you have some "sympathy" at least for awhile if you happen to find someone with PH's.

Add to last post: probable cause is BS, at least in my case. We were pulled over, we had a can of solid tobacco, cigarette tubes and a auto roller - You cant even roll pot with this thing, unless you cut off the tubes filter, and then you just have a shitty joint

As for the GTO, the dealership is owned by a family friend and the car is mine until Feb '05 for free since last may

Had it since last feb too

Lets just all get along and look at this page <- Adult Page

brodus · 12-22-2004, 03:14 AM

#1. They will be illegal; only a dumbass would transport them.

#2 They will be illegal; Keep them at home and don't talk about it.

#3 They will be illegal; Stock and save them. Use them.. Chill out. Or buy D-Bol or any other product at the nice, low, underground pricing.

**dg806** · 12-22-2004, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by law74

Red Spy is quite right. Only use USPS to order. They do need a search warrant to open it. Never, ever let the cops search your car when they ask. Police have absolutely no right what so ever to search a car of its contents unless it is based upon probable cause, and speeding, tail light, registration do not provide probable cause. To search your trunk cops actually need a warrant (that is unless you are arrested) to search through your trunk. Never, Ever, grant a cop consent to search anything. No one argue this one with me I know what I am talking about.

If you speed over 15mph over the speed limit, it is a misdemeanor and you can be arrested and your vehicle searched. If they want to search, they can find something wrong and then search. Is your registration card signed?? If not it is a misdemeanor!

simbh · 12-22-2004, 07:26 AM

Wow man , you the police officers in the states are crazy. I only got checked out by cops a few times. Once , I was speeding 40km above limit. Second time I was with a friend , about two years ago and we were smoking a joint in car in a local college parking. Actually , we just smoke one , and I was rolling another. The cop came up to us , asked us what the fuck we were doing there 11 at night . We just said we were waiting for a friend and since my friend has a pretty nice car for a 17 year old (subaru legacy gt 1999) he asked for his papers cuz he thought the car was stolen. He came back , gave him the papers and told us to have a good night. LOL. Thats what usually happens here , if you act cool for whatever you usually don't get busted. If you drank too much or you're not sure if you're over the limit of alcool you just need to tell him that ya , you had a few drinks but you are aware that you are driving and were cautious with your drinking.

Anyways , the phs are illigal in Canada as we speak . But a lot of stores still carry them for the sole reason that they have easy access to them since they are still legal in the states. Im 19 right now , almost 20 and I'll be doing my first cycle pretty soon . I know it is not recommended under 21 , but I'd rather do it now , a year younger than waiting and going threw the black market and not being sure about what the hell I'm purshacing.

DemolitionNine · 12-22-2004, 09:30 AM

So what this comes down to... is that we're going to be throwing PH users in jail, wasting tax-payers money to put them there, and spending MORE money on something that doesn't need to be spent on (I.E the incarceration of INNOCENT people).

The U.S already has over 3 million people behind bars, more than any other nation in the world. Most of them are for stupid petty crimes that caused less harm than keeping them in jail for 5-10 years.

Way to go USA.

God I hate this country at times...

it's seriously turned into a police state.

bludevil · 12-22-2004, 09:40 AM

Yeah, but remember, your still living in the greatest country in the world, if you don't believe it, go do some travelling and you will soon see.

DemolitionNine · 12-22-2004, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bludevil

Yeah, but remember, your still living in the greatest country in the world, if you don't believe it, go do some travelling and you will soon see.

I have. I liked Germany / Austria a lot more than the U.S...

people over there know how to *gasp* drive too!

**Dale Mabry** · 12-22-2004, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iMan323

If you have to carry PH's on you, what do you think is the wisest method?

Fill a balloon with the PHs and shove them up your ass. Not only will you not get caught, but you will have a story to tell your grandkids.

iMan323 · 12-22-2004, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Fill a balloon with the PHs and shove them up your ass. Not only will you not get caught, but you will have a story to tell your grandkids.

Speaking from experience there, Dale?

**Dale Mabry** · 12-22-2004, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iMan323

Speaking from experience there, Dale?

Nah, mine is an exit only. It is a very sensitive area for me. One time a chick was on top of me and she started to slide a finger up there. I asked her what she was doing and she said to sit back and relax. I told her if she was going to stick the finger in there I was going to stick something much larger up HER's, my foot.

redspy · 12-22-2004, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I told her if she was going to stick the finger in there I was going to stick something much larger up HER's, my foot.

It's good to know romance isn't dead, Dale. You charmer you.

12-21-2004, 07:48 PM	#1
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12-21-2004, 10:55 PM	#8
law74 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 40	Red Spy is quite right. Only use USPS to order. They do need a search warrant to open it. Never, ever let the cops search your car when they ask. Police have absolutely no right what so ever to search a car of its contents unless it is based upon probable cause, and speeding, tail light, registration do not provide probable cause. To search your trunk cops actually need a warrant (that is unless you are arrested) to search through your trunk. Never, Ever, grant a cop consent to search anything. No one argue this one with me I know what I am talking about.
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12-21-2004, 10:59 PM	#9
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,177	hm [quote=law7 No one argue this one with me I know what I am talking about.[/QUOTE] why is that ?

12-21-2004, 10:59 PM	#10
law74 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 40	If people in general were more engaged in government dumb shit like this ban would not happen. Also it is a very liberal comment to say FUCK this government. Liberals are for legalizing most things. Liberals are very oppossed to the criminalization of victimless crimes. Oppossed to what the nasty conservatives say Liberals actually want the government out of most peoples lives. Did not intend on starting a politicla thread but this ban makes me angry. I to have never used PH's before but now want to stock up just in case I ever do. The government has actually made this substance more attractive to me by making it illegal.
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12-21-2004, 09:27 PM	#2
iMan323 Preved Medved! Elite Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 947	Yeah, hmm... The funny thing is I never even considered PH's before this ban. Now, I have a huge stash. I know this'll sound like a surprise coming from a liberal, but....FUCK THE GOV'T OF THESE UNITED STATES. LEGALIZE IT. (oh and pot too)

12-21-2004, 10:26 PM	#3
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,177	that fucking sux man, i was told its gona be illegal to sell but not to have for personal use...

12-21-2004, 11:18 PM	#13
iMan323 Preved Medved! Elite Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 947	If you have to carry PH's on you, what do you think is the wisest method?

12-21-2004, 11:27 PM	#15
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,177	great, thanx guys, you are giving me great tips to share with the guys at the station........ what do you think cops dont know that one already??? You are gona be like the hooker who is hiding crack in the cigaret box................ " it's just cigarets, and they're not mine!! " Last edited by QuestionGuy : 12-21-2004 at 11:29 PM. Reason: spell

12-21-2004, 11:42 PM	#16
Northy Returned to Hypertrophy Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pinckney, MI Posts: 84	Just more ways for the Govt & Policing agencies to get more money out of the people, easily. Its sad when the media only shows the people who were stupid using ephedra (whatever that baseball pitchers name was - RIP) or about the 13yr olds using PH's. I always knew if anyone ever had a illegal subs in their car they better hide it fucking good. In my own personal experience, at least where I live, any excuse to search your car/home for anyway to incriminate is what the law (police) does. Example: I just leased a car (2004 GTO ) and a passenger with me had "a drug" in my car". Later that night I was driving home from the club and I noticed my left tail-light was out, so I didnt think twice and drove home. About 3miles from my house pos pre-1990's lebaron Conv. was going 15mph on the speed limit, so I decided to pass. About 100ft ahead of me was a cop, just sitting there. I was pulled over for reckless driving (dropped) and tailgating (dropped). My buddy was rolling a cigarette (tobacco thankyou) and guess what, Rolling your own cigarettes means you have drugs. Car was searched, I got the ticket for OWI (funny how looking tired makes you look high - charge later dropped due to blood work) but I did walkout with a nice posession charge, along with my friend having the same. After all this and going through the courts, probably spent a good $4,000 with drug screenings, probation - 9 monthes. Just like to say thanks for the aggrivation. Just some advice, those of you who will be using PH's after the BAN, keep it at home, because this is how its going to be. Whats next, OWI from... Using PH's? I can see it now "HES GOT ROID RAGE! HIS INTOXICATED BY PH'S! ARREST HIM!" I know to hide "certain things". I just never thought I'd have to hide anything that was in my Gym bag. Last edited by Northy : 12-21-2004 at 11:53 PM.
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12-22-2004, 12:04 AM	#17
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,177	The sades part of your post here was that the tail light of a brand new 2004 GTO was out...??? WTF ??? ............. Anyway, the cop pulled you over because he had reason to do so, you looked suspicious and he had reasonable doubt to search your car, and his instincts are right, he found what he was probably looking for. So how is that not your fault?? I doubt that you didnt know what that guy had on him but you should be careful who rides with you. Oh and did you know that the poor guy was just doing his job??? Yes, cops do that. PS: no need to fight now. I feel bad for you because of the tail light tho that is a weird thing.

12-22-2004, 12:21 AM	#18
Northy Returned to Hypertrophy Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pinckney, MI Posts: 84	Its to late to argue, and I've already have the great feeling of knowing the two officers who arrested me have been fired - not due to my case though (thanks local newspaper) Turns out alot of seizures they have taken mysteriously were in the wrong amounts. I've dragged OT again. Anyways, QuestionG, I hope you have some "sympathy" at least for awhile if you happen to find someone with PH's. Add to last post: probable cause is BS, at least in my case. We were pulled over, we had a can of solid tobacco, cigarette tubes and a auto roller - You cant even roll pot with this thing, unless you cut off the tubes filter, and then you just have a shitty joint As for the GTO, the dealership is owned by a family friend and the car is mine until Feb '05 for free since last may Had it since last feb too Lets just all get along and look at this page <- Adult Page
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12-22-2004, 03:14 AM	#19
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12-22-2004, 07:26 AM	#21
simbh Simon Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Ottawa Region , Canada Posts: 986 Photos: 4	Wow man , you the police officers in the states are crazy. I only got checked out by cops a few times. Once , I was speeding 40km above limit. Second time I was with a friend , about two years ago and we were smoking a joint in car in a local college parking. Actually , we just smoke one , and I was rolling another. The cop came up to us , asked us what the fuck we were doing there 11 at night . We just said we were waiting for a friend and since my friend has a pretty nice car for a 17 year old (subaru legacy gt 1999) he asked for his papers cuz he thought the car was stolen. He came back , gave him the papers and told us to have a good night. LOL. Thats what usually happens here , if you act cool for whatever you usually don't get busted. If you drank too much or you're not sure if you're over the limit of alcool you just need to tell him that ya , you had a few drinks but you are aware that you are driving and were cautious with your drinking. Anyways , the phs are illigal in Canada as we speak . But a lot of stores still carry them for the sole reason that they have easy access to them since they are still legal in the states. Im 19 right now , almost 20 and I'll be doing my first cycle pretty soon . I know it is not recommended under 21 , but I'd rather do it now , a year younger than waiting and going threw the black market and not being sure about what the hell I'm purshacing.
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12-22-2004, 09:30 AM	#22
DemolitionNine Freerider Forever Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lenexa, KS Posts: 124	So what this comes down to... is that we're going to be throwing PH users in jail, wasting tax-payers money to put them there, and spending MORE money on something that doesn't need to be spent on (I.E the incarceration of INNOCENT people). The U.S already has over 3 million people behind bars, more than any other nation in the world. Most of them are for stupid petty crimes that caused less harm than keeping them in jail for 5-10 years. Way to go USA. God I hate this country at times... it's seriously turned into a police state.

12-22-2004, 09:40 AM	#23
bludevil To God be the Glory Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WeightRoom Posts: 1,567 Photos: 25	Yeah, but remember, your still living in the greatest country in the world, if you don't believe it, go do some travelling and you will soon see.