JoeR.

I have been reading for a while now about ph/ps and now that the ban has come I plan on finally using them. My cycle, first and only, is looking to be 1test at 300mg with 4ad 450mg both topically for 6 weeks.

I have searched about PCT with this and everyone and everything points to novla as the best and better then 6oxo for pct. All the olds posts point to places like CNW as the place to get liquid novla. I cant find any, actually any on the web. If its one of those substances that I wont be able to get will 6oxo cure early signs of gyno like novla will? Really I just want to get the novla.

Thanks
Joe

thatguy

I don't think it's smart to use them right now considering you're 18, IMO.

Tha Don

best to get nolva man! 6-oxo ain't gonna stop gyno anywhere near as good as nolva will

peace

Du

1. If youre 18, buy it and wait. If you dont, youll regret it down the line.
2. If you can, go with Nolva. Just go to yahoo and type in "tamoxifen citrate." Thats the generic name. Or just go to IBE Nutrition. CNW should have it back soon.
3. 6-oxo is okay and will do a decent job if need be. Youll be okay with it, but better safe than sorry.

PCT is as important, if not more important, than the actual cycle. Im glad youre doing research and asking questions, its a good thing. However, dont rush into it. Learn all you can, because this is some serious shit, no matter what the "gym guru" at your local gym says.

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JoeR.

Yea your right about that du510, most people at the gym, even the big guys, know actual jack shit about training styles or nutrition other than the basics.

Yea I was debating about waiting until the end of next year when I bulk again to use it. I was actually going to post and ask if it was smart to use it during a cut. I dont want to waste it being as it will be my only cycle of this stuff.

Ive read time and time again always safer to wait until your older. But really if I wait next year or even the year after that I doubt my body will have changed. I hit puberty young and havent grown a bit in two years. Based on my mothers and fathers height im right where I should be at. I know that height is not the only problem but I dont know about the others. Care to enlighten? Also answer my question about the cut or bulk timing, please.

Thanks
Joe

Du

Use it on a bulk, it works much better.

As for the whole "Im done growing" thing, its not just about that. At 18, your hormone levels are still outta whack. Thats why teenagers are so much hornier than older people. If you start introducing exogenous hormones before your naturally level out, your system will be thrown off. When youre on M1T, your body stops producing natural (endogenous) testosterone, as there is no need for it. So taking it earlier in life raises the probability of hormonal problems. As a rule, you shouldnt take it till 21, but even that is still young. The older you are, the safer you are with it (until a point, of course).

You already alluded to the other problem it causes - the premature fusion of growth plates. You might not be getting taller, but your body is still shaping itself, and you are still growing.

Either way, Id just get it, hold onto it, learn about it. Then donw the line, when youre bulking, do it right.

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Tha Don

i agree totally with what du has said

keep asking questions man, keep learning, don't rush it man, you'll know when its the right time to take anabolics

JoeR.

Thanks for the advice I appreciate it. Yea Iplan on holding onto it for awhile atleast until I do another bulk. I see no need to rush into it right now, this ending year is concluding my 1st full year of lifting and dieting correctly and I have seen awesome gains.

As a side note to just as a testitmony about how little the general public knows about ph/ps use. My dad, who has been lifting for over 20 years, the same person that took forever to convince that creatine is safe for me to use had no problems with me using hormones. I dont think he knows about the sides of them, none the less that im underage to speak. Its a good thing though because he would oppose it even in 5 years.

Another thing comes to mind about under age ph/ps use. I remember in high school, even freshman years, that the football team and baseball team would be using this stuff. I have no doubt that they knew nothing about stacks, dosing, PCT, or the potential sides. I remember my senior year when I blew up, some kids on the baseball team would come up to me ans ask me if products like animal stak were any good; I told them to stay away from hormones after I explained the potential sides.

Joe

QuestionGuy

Yeah man, they are never going to listen tho, people ask me all the time what im using to be big, and it get on my nerves because then they think I use steroids without even knowing what they are. I tell some of my friends to stay away from pro hormones untill they know fully what it is and what it can do to you, but they dont listen man they will never listen so just let it go, I did.............................



hey I do have another question for the other guys tho.....(I know I know me and my questions)........When I do my cycle (1-t 4-ad for 4 weeks oraly) Im gona take 300mg a day of 1-t and 200mg a day of 4-ad, I know its a low dose and its only for 4 weeks, but I think its going to help me since its my first cycle and I dont know how I will respond to it, plus im only 20 and I grow good with a good diet and training anyway....The thing is I only got enought Aromadex for my pct for about to weeks, will that be enough to run for 2 weeks or should I do another 2 weeks to be alright, I heared many people saying that 2 weeks should be enough PCT becasue of my low cycle...??