The roll of M-5AA

DOMS · 12-27-2004, 02:16 PM

I've often read that people take M-5AA as a workout booster. Quite often I've read that people take it as a booster during a cycle of M1T (or other PH).

This is where I'm unclear. Doesn't taking M-5AA during a cycle of M1T violate the rule of not taking two methyls together? Not to mention taking two orals together? Is this OK for some unknown (to me) reason?

I've yet to read about anyone taking this in any form of a cycle. So, what is the recommended usage of M-5AA. I've found prolific information on PHs such as M1T and S+, but not M-5AA. Hence, my need to ask this question.

I've read through the PH/PS sticky, but even there it's not clear cut:

It mentions that you can take it as a booster and implies that you can cycle it. If it can be taken as a booster, when is the usage? If it's done in a cycle, what is the recommended length?

Thanks for any info!

**dg806** · 12-27-2004, 02:46 PM

You should not take two methyls together. It would be too hard on your liver. It would be a good boost for a transdermal cycle of 1test or 4ad. Or by itself as a pre-workout boost. Normal dosage is 10-50mg/day. Start on the low end and work up if you don't have any bad side effects. It also has a hardening effect on muscles and gives some strength increases.

DOMS · 12-27-2004, 02:53 PM

So you mean that it can be taken all by itself? When the length of usage? Do I need to do any PCT?

Thanks.

**Pirate!** · 12-27-2004, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

Doesn't taking M-5AA during a cycle of M1T violate the rule of not taking two methyls together? Not to mention taking two orals together? Is this OK

There is nothing wrong with taking two orals at a time.

RCfootball87 · 12-28-2004, 01:56 AM

I'm not clear on one thing, is all 5-AD Methylated? The Winni Depot M1T I had included 50 mgs of 5-androstene 3b 17b diol. does that 17b part mean it's uses 17aa alkoloids or however you say it? Cause that would make it methylated right?

**dg806** · 12-28-2004, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

So you mean that it can be taken all by itself? When the length of usage? Do I need to do any PCT?

Thanks.

Yes you can take it by itself. Since it's methyl, treat it as others and keep it to a couple weeks. AS WITH ALL STERIODS A PCT IS NECESSARY.

**dg806** · 12-28-2004, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCfootball87

I'm not clear on one thing, is all 5-AD Methylated? The Winni Depot M1T I had included 50 mgs of 5-androstene 3b 17b diol. does that 17b part mean it's uses 17aa alkoloids or however you say it? Cause that would make it methylated right?

I think you are confused. It is 5AA. And you can get a 5AA non methylated. If it is 17 alpha alkalyated, the 17aa prefix will precede the chemical name. And Winstrol and M1T is two different substances.

RCfootball87 · 12-28-2004, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg806

I think you are confused. It is 5AA. And you can get a 5AA non methylated. If it is 17 alpha alkalyated, the 17aa prefix will precede the chemical name. And Winstrol and M1T is two different substances.

Winstrol is stanozolol(sp?) Yeah, I am confused, I guess what I'm asking is the chemical name that I listed off that bottle methylated? I can't imagine a company would put two methyls in the same stack but it's possible.

MTN WARRIOR · 12-29-2004, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg806

Yes you can take it by itself. Since it's methyl, treat it as others and keep it to a couple weeks. AS WITH ALL STERIODS A PCT IS NECESSARY.

M5AA a steroid???? Last I checked it was a PH.

**dg806** · 12-30-2004, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTN WARRIOR

M5AA a steroid???? Last I checked it was a PH.

Technically. It converts to Methyl DHT which is a steriod.

DOMS · 12-30-2004, 12:45 PM

What is recommended length of a cycle for M-5AA? Do I need to take 4DERM with it?

brodus · 12-30-2004, 01:20 PM

There are three main uses for M5AA:

1. Solely a pre-workout booster. Dosing of 20-50mg, pre-workout only.
2. As a cutting/hardening agent. Dosing of 60-100mg. EVERY DAY, spread out in 3-4 doses and run for at least 3 weeks.
3. As a stacking agent. M5AA has a benificial effect on SHBG, which enables the horomones/prohormones you take to have a more pronounced effect. In this case, you take 30mg. per day split in 3 doses, every day.

All androgens require PCT. However, shut-down from example 1 (solely pre-workout dosing) is going to be very minimal (provided this is all you're running). I personally don't use androgens in this manner at all, prefering other things for pre-workout stim., or just old-fashioned inspiration and good sleep. My philosophy is to use carefully crafted stacks, and be prudent.

I have done example 2, and it worked great, and I will be doing example 3 on my next cycle in Feb., along with some low-dose T3 to improve protein metabolism, 5-AD to improve conversion enzyme production, and GlucophaseXR to improve insulin response. This will allow me to run lower androgen doses while reaping greater overall benefits.

MTN WARRIOR · 12-30-2004, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg806

Technically. It converts to Methyl DHT which is a steriod.

Contraire ma freir. If it converts, then it is not a steroid, it is a PH or PS if it converts.

DOMS · 12-31-2004, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brodus

There are three main uses for M5AA:

1. Solely a pre-workout booster. Dosing of 20-50mg, pre-workout only.
2. As a cutting/hardening agent. Dosing of 60-100mg. EVERY DAY, spread out in 3-4 doses and run for at least 3 weeks.
3. As a stacking agent. M5AA has a benificial effect on SHBG, which enables the horomones/prohormones you take to have a more pronounced effect. In this case, you take 30mg. per day split in 3 doses, every day.

All androgens require PCT. However, shut-down from example 1 (solely pre-workout dosing) is going to be very minimal (provided this is all you're running). I personally don't use androgens in this manner at all, prefering other things for pre-workout stim., or just old-fashioned inspiration and good sleep. My philosophy is to use carefully crafted stacks, and be prudent.

I have done example 2, and it worked great, and I will be doing example 3 on my next cycle in Feb., along with some low-dose T3 to improve protein metabolism, 5-AD to improve conversion enzyme production, and GlucophaseXR to improve insulin response. This will allow me to run lower androgen doses while reaping greater overall benefits.

Thank you very much for the great information!

Vieope · 12-31-2004, 06:34 PM

What is a hardening agent?

**dg806** · 12-31-2004, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTN WARRIOR

Contraire ma freir. If it converts, then it is not a steroid, it is a PH or PS if it converts.

That is why I said technically. But any PH that is Methylated is not a joke and needs to be taken with the same precautions as a real steriod.

12-27-2004, 02:16 PM	#1
DOMS Metrosexual Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 22,092 Photos: 1	The roll of M-5AA I've often read that people take M-5AA as a workout booster. Quite often I've read that people take it as a booster during a cycle of M1T (or other PH). This is where I'm unclear. Doesn't taking M-5AA during a cycle of M1T violate the rule of not taking two methyls together? Not to mention taking two orals together? Is this OK for some unknown (to me) reason? I've yet to read about anyone taking this in any form of a cycle. So, what is the recommended usage of M-5AA. I've found prolific information on PHs such as M1T and S+, but not M-5AA. Hence, my need to ask this question. I've read through the PH/PS sticky, but even there it's not clear cut: It mentions that you can take it as a booster and implies that you can cycle it. If it can be taken as a booster, when is the usage? If it's done in a cycle, what is the recommended length? Thanks for any info!

12-27-2004, 02:46 PM	#2
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	You should not take two methyls together. It would be too hard on your liver. It would be a good boost for a transdermal cycle of 1test or 4ad. Or by itself as a pre-workout boost. Normal dosage is 10-50mg/day. Start on the low end and work up if you don't have any bad side effects. It also has a hardening effect on muscles and gives some strength increases. 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

12-28-2004, 01:56 AM	#5
RCfootball87 Rhino Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 1,303	I'm not clear on one thing, is all 5-AD Methylated? The Winni Depot M1T I had included 50 mgs of 5-androstene 3b 17b diol. does that 17b part mean it's uses 17aa alkoloids or however you say it? Cause that would make it methylated right? back for the first time....

12-30-2004, 01:20 PM	#12
brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	There are three main uses for M5AA: 1. Solely a pre-workout booster. Dosing of 20-50mg, pre-workout only. 2. As a cutting/hardening agent. Dosing of 60-100mg. EVERY DAY, spread out in 3-4 doses and run for at least 3 weeks. 3. As a stacking agent. M5AA has a benificial effect on SHBG, which enables the horomones/prohormones you take to have a more pronounced effect. In this case, you take 30mg. per day split in 3 doses, every day. All androgens require PCT. However, shut-down from example 1 (solely pre-workout dosing) is going to be very minimal (provided this is all you're running). I personally don't use androgens in this manner at all, prefering other things for pre-workout stim., or just old-fashioned inspiration and good sleep. My philosophy is to use carefully crafted stacks, and be prudent. I have done example 2, and it worked great, and I will be doing example 3 on my next cycle in Feb., along with some low-dose T3 to improve protein metabolism, 5-AD to improve conversion enzyme production, and GlucophaseXR to improve insulin response. This will allow me to run lower androgen doses while reaping greater overall benefits. Graham Cousens Band My Space http://www.flymantell.com http://www.bifunkal.com http://www.livebandkaraokechicago.com http://www.worldclassnoise.com

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12-27-2004, 02:53 PM	#3
DOMS Metrosexual Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 22,092 Photos: 1	So you mean that it can be taken all by itself? When the length of usage? Do I need to do any PCT? Thanks.

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