1,4 andro

**19-chief** · 12-28-2004, 04:27 PM

would 1,4 andro have the same effect as EQ in regards to the EPO effect?
"For athletes of sports other than strength sports or bodybuilding will also note that boldenone is quite likely the most favorable steroid for them to use as it also stimulates the release of erythropoeitin in the kidneys. Erythropoeitin is a hormone known as EPO and heavily abused among endurance athletes because it signals the body to increase the production of red blood cells (erythrocytes). Red blood cells are the carrier of oxygen in the body, meaning that a higher maximal oxygen capacity can be obtained and better performance can be achieved over longer amounts of time before lactic acid is built up, which would in turn result in cramps and a cessation of the activity at that level. In short it improves your stamina. For bodybuilders this characteristic may be useful in promoting increased vascularity."
-Big Cat
if so, how long can one take it for? i know 4 weeks is the minimum and i know it wouldn't be cheap to do it for long but is it possible to go 12 weeks and get EQ-like effects for an athlete???

**19-chief** · 12-28-2004, 04:29 PM

i was thinking 12 weeks at a minimum of 600mg/ED and maybe as much as 1200mg/ED strictly for athletic enhancement on the ice.

**ZECH** · 12-29-2004, 07:20 AM

1,4 has terrible oral bio. I took 900mg a day and saw nothing. You would have to take a higher dose than that to see anything. And it is expensive! You can get the powder for $4/g. Even at 1.5g/day, that is $6/day. For 12 weeks that is $504. You know what kind of gear you can get for that?

**19-chief** · 12-29-2004, 11:13 AM

i know, i know. it was just that i had read that it's oral conversion rate was ~10%. thus, 600mg/day 1,4ad might roughly equate to 420mg/wk of EQ... i did plan to stack it with 400-600mg/day of 4derm the last 6 weeks or so.
you know how it is... i think we all sit around formulating cycle just for the hell of it!!!

**ZECH** · 12-29-2004, 01:27 PM

Supposedly it has good bio, but I don't see it in the feedback I've seen. You might get lucky and respond well to it. The dione version convets to some estrogen where the diol version does not. The M1,4 worked well, but is all gone(converted to dbol). IMO, what you will gain on 1,4 is not worth the money.

**19-chief** · 12-29-2004, 01:33 PM

ok. thanks for the advice. i was looking for a different way to leverage my 4derm. i was hope to get EQ-like effects for my ice hockey. not neccessarily size... more of a harder look, increased EPO. with that being said, are there drawbacks to a boldenone-only cycle? remember, the objective: athletic enhancement only.

**ZECH** · 12-29-2004, 01:49 PM

Real eq? It's just a weak androgen. Most people will throw in some Winstrol to have a good synergistic action.

**19-chief** · 12-29-2004, 02:00 PM

i've heard that track athletes use that as well... perhaps:
wk 1= 1200mg EQ/wk
wks 2-9= 600mg EQ/wk
wks 6-9= 50mg Winny/ED

**rrgg** · 12-29-2004, 02:33 PM

I think the testing showed something like 9% and 14% equipose after absorbtion and conversion, so people took an average of around 11%. So if you take 3-4 300mg capsules per day, you supposedly get around 700-900mg equipose per week.

P.S. You mentioned that the diol and m14add are gone. Well, I was going to sell some extra PH in the buy/sell section this week, and might include both of these ... for less than the price mentioned above. (also have some m4ohn)

**19-chief** · 12-29-2004, 02:47 PM

rrgg, save those 3 bottles for one more day... i'll pm you around noon tomorrow!

**ZECH** · 12-29-2004, 02:51 PM

You can still get the dione and diol powder. The methyl is gone.

**ZECH** · 12-30-2004, 09:35 AM

Nutraplanet has the Methyl 1,4 caps if interested.

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