RCfootball87

So I was at the supp shop the other day and picked up two bottles of sci-fit's 19-nor androstack II for five bucks at bottle, I figured at that price what the hell right? I'm wondering if I sohuld use the 60 pills for 30 days at 2 pills a day or 20 days at 3 each. A two pill serving contains the following:
19-nor-androstenedione(old, I know) 200 mg
4-AD 200mg ( I will be adding an extra 300mg 4ad e/d to this with separate pills, as I will need around 600 mg to see any benefit from it)
19-nor-4-ad 100 mg
Tribulus 250mg
Saw Palmetto 200mg
Chrysin 200 mg
Zinc Polinate 50 mg
Now I'm wondering If i should jump that two three pills a day spread out evenly, which would multiply all those doses by 1.5. Another problem I have with this is that the 19-nor-dione and the 19-nor-4-diol will compete for the same enzyme I think. Right now I'm leaning towards 3 weeks at the heavy dose, any suggestions?

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musclepump

You're too young. You shouldn't be using any of that yet.

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Rocco32

What the hell are you doing RC?!?

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain...

dg806

RC, you should know better. I'm not gonna yell at ya for being too young, but 19 nor-4-androstenedione (norandro) converts to nortestosterone and estrogen. PURE CRAP. If you want something at least buy a quality product.

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RCfootball87

So you're basically saying this cycle is not worth doing at all? I got two more cycles of M1T lined up, but I still really liked the 19-nor-4-AD and 4AD, I wish they wouldn't put the 19-nordione in there.

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LAM

besides that fact that you are too young for PH or PS's..

you are better off doing a cycle of test enanthate vs using M1T. that is some harsh shit with serious sides. a low dose cycle of test has ZERO side effects...

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musclepump

What do you consider low dose, LAM?

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LAM

150-250 mg/wk

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musclepump

What's the normal production in the human body? If you use 150 and shut down your own production, couldn't you be doing more harm than good?

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LAM

the testes produce from the range of 4-8 mg of test a day so that's 28-56 mg/wk. a dose of enanthate @ 100 mg provides about 70mg of pure testosterone (minus the ester weight). so @ 200 mg/wk you are getting over double what the body produces naturally...

if you are using M1T you are going to shut down your endogenous testosterone production anyway it it also suppress normal HPTA function. might as well use something with less sides that works better...

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RCfootball87

Test enanthate is injectable and currently illegal correct? If I was gonna run steroids I'd start popping Dianabol and maybe do Deca if that works well with D-bol. But I'm not gonna fuck with those, so it's all just thought. I'm starting to think I'll wait six months, see if I've gorwn anymore since the last time I measured, to see if I've already sealed my growth plates, and if not than just wait on these. Because theres so much bullshit with prohormones as far as not letting people know I use and all that. But if I'm still 5'9and 3/4" or whatever after 6 more months, I'll prolly go on for football. I'm not sure what to do right now. And not jsut height related, you know how guys generally just fill out between 21-24 ages with muscle and bone mass, would I be stopping all that from happening with prohormones? Or would it jsut be height and shoulder plates. Do you think my growth plates are prolly done after 3 short cycles?

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musclepump

150 is still pretty low then; could you effectively use 150mg/wk continuously forever and be side free? Or even at that dosage would you shut yourself down permanently after awhile?

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LAM

puberty doesn't end for most until the late teens to early 20's. I stopped growin g at 21. I have friends who grew 3-4 inches in there early 20's....

it's not just the physcial aspect you also have to realize that messing with your endocrine system at such a young age also has physcological effects...to put it quite frankly you are not mature enough in any way to be messing with your endocrine system..

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LAM

in theory yes you could run a low dose and be side free but you would be shut down for the entire time...

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Robboe

No, to put it frankly, he's impatiently thick as fuck.


Funny you you'll "not fuck with" deca or dbol, and yet you have ran M1T and have another "two more cycles of M1T lined up". I thought you said you read up completely on the drug?

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RCfootball87

I did read up on it dumbass the reason I won't fuck with Deca is because it's an injectable, and I don't know how to inject, nor do I trust some mexican supplier to give me a pure product. And I don't have anyway got get D-bol, I have sources for pleasure drugs I don't want, not steroids. I ask a question and all you can do is talk shit to me, what is that? I'm asking if what I did would be enough to kill my growth plates permanently or what?

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Pirate!

Exactly.

DanSterone

whats scary is..

in iowa before the last few months, anyone of any age could walk into a local sports nutrition store and purchase m1t, 1-ad, or other phs/ps.. at very affordable prices. All the people were there to do was sell it to you, and would tell you anything to buy it.

atleast this kid is trying to do some research, and asking about stuff on the boards. I know kids who simply buy the m1t, and take it. Some of there additudes towards prohormones and muscle building are the more you take, the more you make. Its pretty scary to me.

workin to get r-r-ripped to shreds.

Tha Don

what is the fasination with dbol and deca? test would work a lot better for you and would be safer

you need to research a lot more before you run anything

i've spent out a fair bit on PH + PS cycles and now i'm really regretting it after researching AS and realising how awesome test is for putting mass on, M1T will cause a lot more harm to you than test e!

plus your 17! way too young!! forget PH and research AS for a few years till your ready to use em properly

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dg806

I guess I don't need to answer this now.

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RCfootball87

Yeah I'm starting to feel the same way. I think I'll buy a few bottles of 6-oxo and then just sit on this stuff for a few years. I guess I'll stay on creatine and more protein and try to keep adding more size for football. If I sealed my growth plates then that's too bad, but it's not that big of a deal. O well, I figure I'll wait on this a while and let my body hit it like a dry sponge if I'm still training hard in 3 years.

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RCfootball87

I guess if you think that cycle will ever be worth running, like in a few years when I'm older, or will it cause more harm than good cause of the low doses and estrogen conversion?

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musclepump

You're only 180 pounds after all the stuff you've done before. Relatively, you're still very small for your size. You've got plenty to do naturally before considering running another cycle of anything.

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brogers

I'm 18, so I'm about your same age, and judging from your stats I garuntee you don't need any PH or roids to help you put on mass and gain strength, at least for now. I've started researching steroids now, spent probably over a dozen hours so far, and if I do choose to use them it wouldn't be until I'm at least 21, and after much research.

I don't understand how you're 180lbs either, with a seemling small benchpress(no offense, I just thought it strange), I weigh 165 but can do 270, so you should have a good deal of strength to gain naturally. Just eat well, sleep enough, and workout hard, the strength and muscle will come without messing your body up. I understand the desire for more muscle and strength, but you have PLENTY of room for more strength naturally.

RCfootball87

Yeah, but when I started lifting I weighed 115 pounds. I have a small frame.

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RCfootball87

A lot of bench press has to do with technique and the way your built. Do you have short arms? I have long arms proportionetly to my body, and Bench press has always been one of my weakneses. And who the hell knows how are fast/slow twitch muscle fibers compare, theres just so many factors in bench.

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RCfootball87

A lot of bench press has to do with technique and the way your built. Do you have short arms? I have long arms proportionetly to my body, and Bench press has always been one of my weakneses. And who the hell knows how are fast/slow twitch muscle fibers compare, theres just so many factors in bench.

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RCfootball87

A lot of bench press has to do with technique and the way your built. Do you have short arms? I have long arms proportionetly to my body, and Bench press has always been one of my weakneses. And who the hell knows how are fast/slow twitch muscle fibers compare, theres just so many factors in bench.

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gococksDJS

Your 5'10" man, if your arms are proportinate to your build, then they aren't long unless you are a gorilla. Im 5'10" with proportionate arms to my size and about 5 lbs. lighter than you, but my arm length has never been a factor with benchpress for me, so I don't understand how it could be for you. Now if you were 6'2" thats another story.

RCfootball87

Then I don't know what it is, but I've always been bad at bench and I used to do a lot less.

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