This is not an M1T Poll!

Newt · 01-03-2005, 04:04 PM

I just got my M1T, never taken it before, I have a question about gyno. I don't have access to Nolva, well money for it anyway, and I heard that Milk Thistle works well. I wondered if just taking Milk Thistle would probably be ok since M1T isn't supposed to convert into estrogen anyway. I know a lot about lifting but not that much about PH/PS's so feel free to rip me apart. For all I know Milk Thistle is just for raising my test levels back after a cycle?!? I don't know but I know some of you guys do.

**Pirate!** · 01-03-2005, 04:08 PM

You need nolva or 6-oxo for pct. Read the sticky on PH/PS to learn more about it. Taking M1T without pct is a big mistake.

Newt · 01-03-2005, 04:15 PM

Thanks man!

419Para_Dice · 01-03-2005, 04:36 PM

What happends to 15-17 year old kids who walk into a nutri-sport and buy M1T without knowledge of what PCT even is? Can they retaliate against the company that sold them the Ph/Ps if they get fucked up?

-Efrin

Du · 01-03-2005, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 419Para_Dice

What happends to 15-17 year old kids who walk into a nutri-sport and buy M1T without knowledge of what PCT even is? Can they retaliate against the company that sold them the Ph/Ps if they get fucked up?

-Efrin

Questions like that anger people like us.

law74 · 01-03-2005, 04:54 PM

If the company, and the plaintiff would have to prove this, had knowledge about the side effects of the supplement, and then took no action to warn the consumer about the potential hazards then a company could be held liable. There are so many factors such as the potential for harm, the gravity of the harm, etc..., which go into establishing liability that it would take a month to answer this question fully, but the short answer is yes.

**Prince** · 01-03-2005, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newt

I wondered if just taking Milk Thistle would probably be ok since M1T isn't supposed to convert into estrogen anyway.

Milk Thistle is for liver function.

Your natural T production will shut down with M1T, you need proper PCT to recover and get your testes producing testosterone again.

Du · 01-03-2005, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

Milk Thistle is for liver function.

Your natural T production will shut down with M1T, you need proper PCT to recover and get your testes producing testosterone again.

Basically, milk thistle isnt good alone for PCT. Like Rob said, its good for liver health. But you need an anti-estrogen.

If you dont wanna use nolva, use a boatload of 6-oxo.

Curlingcadys · 01-03-2005, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newt

I just got my M1T, never taken it before, I have a question about gyno. I don't have access to Nolva, well money for it anyway, and I heard that Milk Thistle works well. I wondered if just taking Milk Thistle would probably be ok since M1T isn't supposed to convert into estrogen anyway. I know a lot about lifting but not that much about PH/PS's so feel free to rip me apart. For all I know Milk Thistle is just for raising my test levels back after a cycle?!? I don't know but I know some of you guys do.

**Milk thistle 1week before, (I'm gonna use it durring), and a week after
DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL on cycle!!!

**FIND Nolva, I'm kinda surprised that 6-oxo is being recommend, you guys ripped me apart a while back when I said I was gonna use it for PCT, Though I understand why now.

(but I did find nolva.)

Du · 01-03-2005, 06:32 PM

If you found nolva, stick with that.

419Para_Dice · 01-03-2005, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

Questions like that anger people like us.

I dont understand why it would anger you, i wasnt tryin to insult you or, anyone else, or the way you do things.

i was just pointing out how sometimes the people who sell the drugs never say anythin to the constumers about anything like pct, a lot dont even know what that is.

im sorry if i offended you, lol. no offence was intended. i was merely pointing out how the importance of pct after M1T is overlooked by the uninformed. and that is dangerous.

-Efrin

Du · 01-03-2005, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 419Para_Dice

I dont understand why it would anger you, i wasnt tryin to insult you or, anyone else, or the way you do things.

i was just pointing out how sometimes the people who sell the drugs never say anythin to the constumers about anything like pct, a lot dont even know what that is.

im sorry if i offended you, lol. no offence was intended. i was merely pointing out how the importance of pct after M1T is overlooked by the uninformed. and that is dangerous.

-Efrin

No no, I know.

Those type of people contributed to the ban. I am absolutely bullshit about the ban. Im not gonna get into it, I could go on for pages. Its simply rediculous.

Thats all it really was. It got me pissed for a sec, I posted, and now its over. Nothing serious, nothing against you. Sorry about that.

**Pirate!** · 01-03-2005, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curlingcadys

I'm kinda surprised that 6-oxo is being recommend.

I recommend nolva above 6-oxo, but I think 6-oxo at 600 mg/day for 28 days would be a good pct, too. Worked well for me.

gococksDJS · 01-03-2005, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I recommend nolva above 6-oxo, but I think 6-oxo at 600 mg/day for 28 days would be a good pct, too. Worked well for me.

I personally think nolva is the only way to go with a PS like M1T. You'll have the test levels of Richard Simmons, with a couple of raisins hanging from your flacid dong. If you can get your hands on it, go with nolva, but if not say bye bye to spanky time for a few months.

DOMS · 01-03-2005, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 419Para_Dice

I dont understand why it would anger you, i wasnt tryin to insult you or, anyone else, or the way you do things.

i was just pointing out how sometimes the people who sell the drugs never say anythin to the constumers about anything like pct, a lot dont even know what that is.

im sorry if i offended you, lol. no offence was intended. i was merely pointing out how the importance of pct after M1T is overlooked by the uninformed. and that is dangerous.

-Efrin

It pretty much boils down to one sad fact: the lives of normal people are limited by the actions of stupid people.

Curlingcadys · 01-03-2005, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

It pretty much boils down to one sad fact: the lives of normal people are limited by the actions of stupid people.

nice!

**Pirate!** · 01-03-2005, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

It pretty much boils down to one sad fact: the lives of normal people are limited by the actions of stupid people.

One problem: normal people are stupid.

RCfootball87 · 01-04-2005, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

One problem: normal people are stupid.

And you'd be surprised at how smart some people think they are, and how many people considered "smart" by general opinion because they articulate things well or for one reason or another, happen to be less and overly intelligent.

DemolitionNine · 01-04-2005, 05:59 PM

Ok.... I must ask.

I'm just about to finish my M1T cycle...

I can't find Nolvadex / don't have the money for it.

What else can I get to cut the Estrogen levels or help for my PCT ?

I apologize for the newb question.... but... you guys really know your stuff, and I really could use an answer on that one.

Thanks.

gococksDJS · 01-04-2005, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemolitionNine

Ok.... I must ask.

I'm just about to finish my M1T cycle...

I can't find Nolvadex / don't have the money for it.

What else can I get to cut the Estrogen levels or help for my PCT ?

I apologize for the newb question.... but... you guys really know your stuff, and I really could use an answer on that one.

Thanks.

First off don't ever ever start a cycle without PCT on hand, i know it's a slim chance with M1T, but what if you started seeing gyno symptoms? Man boobies aren't as fun as everyone says they are. Is it that you can't get nolva or can't afford it? Because your alternative is 6-oxo, but it is going to be quite a bit more expensive than liquid nolva. If you can get your hands on some nolva, borrow some money from a friend and get it, you will keep more of your gains than with something as weak as 6-oxo, but if you can't get it, go for ergopharms 6-oxo, and keep your calorie intake up throughout PCT.

PreMier · 01-04-2005, 08:41 PM

I love how people jump into the water, without seeing how deep it is first. Why someone wouldnt do extensive research on something they are putting into their body, is beyond me.

simbh · 01-04-2005, 08:52 PM

Gotta agree with premier on this . I live in Canada and its harder to get your hands on nolva // ph/ps than in the states. 6-oxo is still easy to get since its legal

... But man , I have everything except my pct to go. Sure I should be getting myy nolva pretty soon , but I don't want to start it before I get . But geezus , I don't know why someone would start taking something named methyl -1-testosterone without doing proper research.I don't know if its me or anything , but it just doesn't sound too natural. And just by the testosteron being in that name , you can see its a steroid.I thought it was a known fact that the basics of steroids was testosterone. I guess it isn't.To me , what is steroid , must be carefully researched. For the guy who said hes about to finish his cycle. Well dude , if you really have trouble getting your hands on nolva , at least get 6-oxo. At least.

I may sound suprised , but I'm not really surprised. I remember this guy saying is libido has been down for months after taking 1-ad and it hasn't came back. D'uh , he didn't do a pct. And the guy asked us for help. When we all told him to go see his doctor , he still wouldn't listen to us... When will people learn ?

brokeass122 · 01-04-2005, 11:01 PM

you need pct and just for the info i run a max muscle and wont sell a ph to anyone under 18 and warn them of all side effects and for pct i get them hooked up on 60x0 with a tribulus stack so not all people in those types of stores are shit heads

DemolitionNine · 01-05-2005, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

First off don't ever ever start a cycle without PCT on hand, i know it's a slim chance with M1T, but what if you started seeing gyno symptoms? Man boobies aren't as fun as everyone says they are. Is it that you can't get nolva or can't afford it? Because your alternative is 6-oxo, but it is going to be quite a bit more expensive than liquid nolva. If you can get your hands on some nolva, borrow some money from a friend and get it, you will keep more of your gains than with something as weak as 6-oxo, but if you can't get it, go for ergopharms 6-oxo, and keep your calorie intake up throughout PCT.

Awesome. Thanks for the info bro.

I'll be tryin to get my hands on some Nolva here soon.

Which type is the best... transdermally, or orally?

Du · 01-05-2005, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemolitionNine

Awesome. Thanks for the info bro.

I'll be tryin to get my hands on some Nolva here soon.

Which type is the best... transdermally, or orally?

Ive never seen transdermal nolva. It is taken orally.

DemolitionNine · 01-05-2005, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

Ive never seen transdermal nolva. It is taken orally.

Oh, okie dokie.

I haven't been able to find reasonably priced Nolva...

will a bottle of Ergopharm's 6-OXO do the trick? I found a bottle for $27.95 for 60 caps.

I apologize to keep bugging you guys, but you've been a substantial help.

I couldn't believe it when I called up 2 of my local supplement stores, and they couldn't answer half the questions you guys have.

So, if this 6-OXO will work, I'll purchase some of that.

Again, thanks to everyone for the help. You've been quite indespensible

PreMier · 01-05-2005, 07:32 PM

Your going to need 2 bottles of 60x0 I think.. Here is the dosage info

6OXO
6oxo is an aromatize inhibitor sold by Ergopharm. It is the best over the counter anti-estrogen available for post cycle use.
Week 1 – 600mg daily in two divided doses, morning and night
Week 2-3 – 400mg daily
Week 4 – 300mg daily

Du · 01-05-2005, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemolitionNine

Oh, okie dokie.

I haven't been able to find reasonably priced Nolva...

will a bottle of Ergopharm's 6-OXO do the trick? I found a bottle for $27.95 for 60 caps.

I apologize to keep bugging you guys, but you've been a substantial help.

I couldn't believe it when I called up 2 of my local supplement stores, and they couldn't answer half the questions you guys have.

So, if this 6-OXO will work, I'll purchase some of that.

Again, thanks to everyone for the help. You've been quite indespensible

just go to yahoo and type in tamoxifen citrate. someone else here just got good cheap nolva from some site... its around just check it out.

6-oxo is overpriced, but works. just make sure you use a lot.

While there are some supplment retailers that know their shit, most dont. Even if they pretend to, dotn believe them. As always, there are exceptions to this rule, but thats no reason to nto do your homework. You should always know as much as you possibly can about anything you are putting in your body.

DemolitionNine · 01-05-2005, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

just go to yahoo and type in tamoxifen citrate. someone else here just got good cheap nolva from some site... its around just check it out.

6-oxo is overpriced, but works. just make sure you use a lot.

While there are some supplment retailers that know their shit, most dont. Even if they pretend to, dotn believe them. As always, there are exceptions to this rule, but thats no reason to nto do your homework. You should always know as much as you possibly can about anything you are putting in your body.

2 bottles it is.

However, I'll keep my eyes peeled for Nolvadex also.

While I was looking around, I also noticed a supp called "Vitrix" by Nutrex. Is this stuff good? They say it's the best Testosterone booster out there.

However, does it cut down on the estrogen levels like Nolva or 6-OXO do?

Again, thank you for the help... I just want to make sure I have my facts straight here.

-Matt

Du · 01-05-2005, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemolitionNine

2 bottles it is.

However, I'll keep my eyes peeled for Nolvadex also.

While I was looking around, I also noticed a supp called "Vitrix" by Nutrex. Is this stuff good? They say it's the best Testosterone booster out there.

However, does it cut down on the estrogen levels like Nolva or 6-OXO do?

Again, thank you for the help... I just want to make sure I have my facts straight here.

-Matt

Doesnt do shit for estrogen levels.
It does help your natural test levels, but its way overpriced.
If you want something similar, but better, check this out.

01-03-2005, 04:04 PM	#1
Newt Drinking buddy Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 372	This is not an M1T Poll! I just got my M1T, never taken it before, I have a question about gyno. I don't have access to Nolva, well money for it anyway, and I heard that Milk Thistle works well. I wondered if just taking Milk Thistle would probably be ok since M1T isn't supposed to convert into estrogen anyway. I know a lot about lifting but not that much about PH/PS's so feel free to rip me apart. For all I know Milk Thistle is just for raising my test levels back after a cycle?!? I don't know but I know some of you guys do. " I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, sex, and rich food. He was healthy right up to the day he killed himself."-Johnny Carson

01-03-2005, 04:15 PM	#3
Newt Drinking buddy Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 372	Thanks man! " I know a man who gave up smoking, drinking, sex, and rich food. He was healthy right up to the day he killed himself."-Johnny Carson

01-03-2005, 04:36 PM	#4
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01-03-2005, 06:32 PM	#10
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01-04-2005, 08:41 PM	#21
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	I love how people jump into the water, without seeing how deep it is first. Why someone wouldnt do extensive research on something they are putting into their body, is beyond me. P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

01-03-2005, 04:08 PM	#2
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	You need nolva or 6-oxo for pct. Read the sticky on PH/PS to learn more about it. Taking M1T without pct is a big mistake.

01-03-2005, 04:54 PM	#6
law74 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 40	If the company, and the plaintiff would have to prove this, had knowledge about the side effects of the supplement, and then took no action to warn the consumer about the potential hazards then a company could be held liable. There are so many factors such as the potential for harm, the gravity of the harm, etc..., which go into establishing liability that it would take a month to answer this question fully, but the short answer is yes.

01-04-2005, 05:59 PM	#19
DemolitionNine Freerider Forever Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lenexa, KS Posts: 124	Ok.... I must ask. I'm just about to finish my M1T cycle... I can't find Nolvadex / don't have the money for it. What else can I get to cut the Estrogen levels or help for my PCT ? I apologize for the newb question.... but... you guys really know your stuff, and I really could use an answer on that one. Thanks.

01-04-2005, 08:52 PM	#22
simbh Simon Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Ottawa Region , Canada Posts: 986 Photos: 4	Gotta agree with premier on this . I live in Canada and its harder to get your hands on nolva // ph/ps than in the states. 6-oxo is still easy to get since its legal ... But man , I have everything except my pct to go. Sure I should be getting myy nolva pretty soon , but I don't want to start it before I get . But geezus , I don't know why someone would start taking something named methyl -1-testosterone without doing proper research.I don't know if its me or anything , but it just doesn't sound too natural. And just by the testosteron being in that name , you can see its a steroid.I thought it was a known fact that the basics of steroids was testosterone. I guess it isn't.To me , what is steroid , must be carefully researched. For the guy who said hes about to finish his cycle. Well dude , if you really have trouble getting your hands on nolva , at least get 6-oxo. At least. I may sound suprised , but I'm not really surprised. I remember this guy saying is libido has been down for months after taking 1-ad and it hasn't came back. D'uh , he didn't do a pct. And the guy asked us for help. When we all told him to go see his doctor , he still wouldn't listen to us... When will people learn ? When a goal is reached comes satisfaction . You're accomplished as a person when you surpass those goals .

01-04-2005, 11:01 PM	#23
brokeass122 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: california Posts: 177	you need pct and just for the info i run a max muscle and wont sell a ph to anyone under 18 and warn them of all side effects and for pct i get them hooked up on 60x0 with a tribulus stack so not all people in those types of stores are shit heads

01-05-2005, 07:32 PM	#27
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	Your going to need 2 bottles of 60x0 I think.. Here is the dosage info 6OXO 6oxo is an aromatize inhibitor sold by Ergopharm. It is the best over the counter anti-estrogen available for post cycle use. Week 1 – 600mg daily in two divided doses, morning and night Week 2-3 – 400mg daily Week 4 – 300mg daily P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

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