m1t use when not bulking heavy

DimebagDarrell · 01-10-2005, 04:28 PM

hey, i already know m1t is basically made to be used when doing a heavy bulk (like i did not too long ago, 1 lb/day gains for 1.5 weeks).

ive seen it asked before and read that it could be done to take m1t when trying to lean up, but its not the best steroid for doing so. however, i have two bottles left of it and was wondering if it was possible to work a plan so that they are effective.

i am 190 lbs now, and so my calorie requirements for the day are about 3000 cals. i am cutting for spring break, but im cutting much faster than i believed i would. my fat is practically falling off. trying to see if its possible to keep cutting but gain some more lean mass. not much, but a tad.

my sides for m1t were pretty calm, shrinkage of the testes was the biggest negative, as well as stretch marks, but my libido went up and i experienced very little lethargy. on the plus side my strength and size shot up like crazy.

would it work to take m1t, then eat about 2500 clean calories a day, with an assload of protein and just a moderate amount of complex carbs? keep the fat down so the cals are coming from the protein and complex carbs, then supplement w a good amount of flax oil for my EFAs. is this a good or bad idea? why or why not?

gococksDJS · 01-10-2005, 04:50 PM

IMO it's pointless to try to cut while on M1T, because you hold so much water that you will look smoothed over as hell anyway so it will be hard to tell if your really cutting, not cutting or just holding water, so why not keep the calories up to get the most out of the cycle, then you'll piss the water out during PCT and after PCT cut.

DimebagDarrell · 01-10-2005, 04:53 PM

i dont care as much about the look right now, but i dont want to gain added fat... waters ok cause thatll go away

Du · 01-10-2005, 04:57 PM

Its a fine idea.... I read a log from a guy that did it. Ill try to find it. He was very, very successful. Same plan as you have.

gococksDJS · 01-10-2005, 04:57 PM

You could try to run M1T with something like M5AA, but two methyls is harsh on the body. You could run the M5AA with something like 1-Test for a good cut, or just run some M4OHN

DimebagDarrell · 01-10-2005, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

Its a fine idea.... I read a log from a guy that did it. Ill try to find it. He was very, very successful. Same plan as you have.

uber. id love to see that log

DOMS · 01-10-2005, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

You could try to run M1T with something like M5AA, but two methyls is harsh on the body. You could run the M5AA with something like 1-Test for a good cut, or just run some M4OHN

On a side note, I just bought all of that. It's Christmas all over again! w00t!

Du · 01-10-2005, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DimebagDarrell

uber. id love to see that log

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20500

and

http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=20488

They're both the same guy, just different aspects of it. The 2nd thread is more of what youre lookin for.

DimebagDarrell · 01-10-2005, 06:34 PM

i may just try it - ill start a journal tonite, ill post a link in this thread when i get goin

Du · 01-10-2005, 06:57 PM

sounds good

**Pirate!** · 01-10-2005, 07:07 PM

I haven't read those articles, but M1T is awesome for cutting. I like your plan for the diet as well. Low-fat, EFAs, complex carbs, protein should provide at least 40% of calories. Keep your metabolism high by doing cardio 6 times a week. You shouldn't hold much water on M1T, and as mentioned it will be gone within days of ending the cycle. I'd stack with ECA or T3 for sure. I bet you can burn 10 lbs of fat and keep all the muscle in 4 weeks if you do it right.

Du · 01-10-2005, 07:10 PM

Pirate's advice (as always) is good. Heed it.

I just recommend you dont jog. As I posted in the thread on AM, I get real bad shin pains when I try running while on M1T. I recommend biking, etc.

But as he said, M1t is great for cutting, and I've had success with it myself.

DimebagDarrell · 01-10-2005, 07:15 PM

i LOVE swimming so ill be doing a lot of that

Du · 01-10-2005, 07:16 PM

Be sure to drink a lot of water and take extra potassium and taurine.

Cramps are a bitch.

DimebagDarrell · 01-10-2005, 07:41 PM

the water ive no problem with. what do you recommend using to get taurine?

btw my journal is listed in my siggie below

**Pirate!** · 01-10-2005, 07:43 PM

CNW or BN for taurine

Du · 01-10-2005, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DimebagDarrell

what do you recommend using to get taurine?

I recommend using taurine to get your taurine.

http://www.bulknutrition.com/advance...=&dto=&x=0&y=0

DimebagDarrell · 01-10-2005, 07:45 PM

pirate, do you recommend it? i didnt have any cramps during my last cycle... course i wasnt running either lol. did have some insane pumps, but no cramps.

DimebagDarrell · 01-10-2005, 07:46 PM

shit, i can probably find that stuff at the grocery store... ill check tonitey

Du · 01-10-2005, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DimebagDarrell

shit, i can probably find that stuff at the grocery store... ill check tonitey

Probably not, but good luck. Its kinda a hard to find supplement, its nto really mainstream. My money says your local GNC clerk has heard of it, but has no idea what it is or does.

DimebagDarrell · 01-10-2005, 07:50 PM

ah. well, ill check neway, the food store has like 8 billion different bottles of shit.

**Pirate!** · 01-10-2005, 08:09 PM

I don't know if it would help on a M1T cycle. I didn't have major cramp issues. I use it for clen, because clen depletes your taurine stash. It is one of the most abundant amino acids in your body. Without it, your muscles could get sore and not recover as well--which many people report from clen use. Supplementing potassium is pointless. Eat foods high in potassium if that is an issue with you.

DimebagDarrell · 01-10-2005, 08:12 PM

ok, well if i cramp, ill grab some

01-10-2005, 04:28 PM	#1
DimebagDarrell Cutting sucks. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 774 Photos: 4	m1t use when not bulking heavy hey, i already know m1t is basically made to be used when doing a heavy bulk (like i did not too long ago, 1 lb/day gains for 1.5 weeks). ive seen it asked before and read that it could be done to take m1t when trying to lean up, but its not the best steroid for doing so. however, i have two bottles left of it and was wondering if it was possible to work a plan so that they are effective. i am 190 lbs now, and so my calorie requirements for the day are about 3000 cals. i am cutting for spring break, but im cutting much faster than i believed i would. my fat is practically falling off. trying to see if its possible to keep cutting but gain some more lean mass. not much, but a tad. my sides for m1t were pretty calm, shrinkage of the testes was the biggest negative, as well as stretch marks, but my libido went up and i experienced very little lethargy. on the plus side my strength and size shot up like crazy. would it work to take m1t, then eat about 2500 clean calories a day, with an assload of protein and just a moderate amount of complex carbs? keep the fat down so the cals are coming from the protein and complex carbs, then supplement w a good amount of flax oil for my EFAs. is this a good or bad idea? why or why not? cutting sucks.

01-10-2005, 04:53 PM	#3
DimebagDarrell Cutting sucks. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 774 Photos: 4	i dont care as much about the look right now, but i dont want to gain added fat... waters ok cause thatll go away cutting sucks.

01-10-2005, 04:57 PM	#4
Du Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,087 Photos: 5	Its a fine idea.... I read a log from a guy that did it. Ill try to find it. He was very, very successful. Same plan as you have. My IronMag Journal

01-10-2005, 06:34 PM	#9
DimebagDarrell Cutting sucks. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 774 Photos: 4	i may just try it - ill start a journal tonite, ill post a link in this thread when i get goin cutting sucks.

01-10-2005, 06:57 PM	#10
Du Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,087 Photos: 5	sounds good My IronMag Journal

01-10-2005, 04:50 PM	#2
gococksDJS RIP Foreman Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,000	IMO it's pointless to try to cut while on M1T, because you hold so much water that you will look smoothed over as hell anyway so it will be hard to tell if your really cutting, not cutting or just holding water, so why not keep the calories up to get the most out of the cycle, then you'll piss the water out during PCT and after PCT cut.

01-10-2005, 07:07 PM	#11
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	I haven't read those articles, but M1T is awesome for cutting. I like your plan for the diet as well. Low-fat, EFAs, complex carbs, protein should provide at least 40% of calories. Keep your metabolism high by doing cardio 6 times a week. You shouldn't hold much water on M1T, and as mentioned it will be gone within days of ending the cycle. I'd stack with ECA or T3 for sure. I bet you can burn 10 lbs of fat and keep all the muscle in 4 weeks if you do it right.

01-10-2005, 07:10 PM	#12
Du Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,087 Photos: 5	Pirate's advice (as always) is good. Heed it. I just recommend you dont jog. As I posted in the thread on AM, I get real bad shin pains when I try running while on M1T. I recommend biking, etc. But as he said, M1t is great for cutting, and I've had success with it myself. My IronMag Journal

01-10-2005, 07:15 PM	#13
DimebagDarrell Cutting sucks. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 774 Photos: 4	i LOVE swimming so ill be doing a lot of that cutting sucks.

01-10-2005, 07:16 PM	#14
Du Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,087 Photos: 5	Be sure to drink a lot of water and take extra potassium and taurine. Cramps are a bitch. My IronMag Journal

01-10-2005, 07:41 PM	#15
DimebagDarrell Cutting sucks. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 774 Photos: 4	the water ive no problem with. what do you recommend using to get taurine? btw my journal is listed in my siggie below cutting sucks.

01-10-2005, 07:43 PM	#16
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	CNW or BN for taurine

01-10-2005, 07:45 PM	#18
DimebagDarrell Cutting sucks. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 774 Photos: 4	pirate, do you recommend it? i didnt have any cramps during my last cycle... course i wasnt running either lol. did have some insane pumps, but no cramps. cutting sucks.

01-10-2005, 07:46 PM	#19
DimebagDarrell Cutting sucks. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 774 Photos: 4	shit, i can probably find that stuff at the grocery store... ill check tonitey cutting sucks.

01-10-2005, 07:50 PM	#21
DimebagDarrell Cutting sucks. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 774 Photos: 4	ah. well, ill check neway, the food store has like 8 billion different bottles of shit. cutting sucks.

01-10-2005, 08:09 PM	#22
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	I don't know if it would help on a M1T cycle. I didn't have major cramp issues. I use it for clen, because clen depletes your taurine stash. It is one of the most abundant amino acids in your body. Without it, your muscles could get sore and not recover as well--which many people report from clen use. Supplementing potassium is pointless. Eat foods high in potassium if that is an issue with you. My 1-Andro RX Journal

01-10-2005, 08:12 PM	#23
DimebagDarrell Cutting sucks. Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 774 Photos: 4	ok, well if i cramp, ill grab some cutting sucks.

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