The future of supplements

thatguy · 01-11-2005, 02:14 PM

How do you think the supplement industry will react after January 20? How long do you think it will take for them to come out with something that even competes with the effectiveness of PH/PS's?

nikegurl · 01-11-2005, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thatguy

How long do you think it will take for them to come out with something that even competes with the effectiveness of PH/PS's?

Unfortunately...I suspect as soon as they do it will be banned.

Cold Iron · 01-11-2005, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thatguy

How do you think the supplement industry will react after January 20? How long do you think it will take for them to come out with something that even competes with the effectiveness of PH/PS's?

Anabolic Matrix Rx is the future !!!!!!!!!

thatguy · 01-11-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by nikegurl

Unfortunately...I suspect as soon as they do it will be banned.

But maybe that's what people were saying back when they first banned steroids.

thatguy · 01-11-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnie's left nu

Anabolic Matrix Rx is the future !!!!!!!!!

LAM · 01-11-2005, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thatguy

But maybe that's what people were saying back when they first banned steroids.

right, and they came up with PH's and PS's which don't hold a candle to real anabolic and androgenic steroids...

thatguy · 01-11-2005, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LAM

right, and they came up with PH's and PS's which don't hold a candle to real anabolic and androgenic steroids...

Maybe not, but M1T sure beats the hell out of creatine.

nikegurl · 01-11-2005, 02:37 PM

which reminds me - don't be surprised if they try to ban creatine

thatguy · 01-11-2005, 02:48 PM

I don't know - I'd be surprised if they could prove that young adolescents are screwing up their bodies on creatine.

Vieope · 01-11-2005, 03:02 PM

Ironmag Labs needs to build the first PH precursor.

nikegurl · 01-11-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thatguy

I don't know - I'd be surprised if they could prove that young adolescents are screwing up their bodies on creatine.

they banned ephedra so it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

SJ69 · 01-11-2005, 04:05 PM

There is no future.

SJ69 · 01-11-2005, 04:11 PM

Everything that works is illegal. Now the future for the black market is lookin' pretty good.
It will be just like in the 80's the only effective supp will be a food product called "protein powder". Everything else will be a scam. Only hormones send the signal that is needed "synthesisize protein" everyhing else is bullshit.
You may get a little benifit from creatine.
Life was good when we lived in a free society and could purchase 1-m-t and Stackers, those days are gone.
A paraphrase of something -
When they came for the smokers I wasn't one so I said nothing.
When they came for the SUV owners, I wasn't one so I did nothing.
When they came for the gun owners I wasn't one so I didn't care.
When they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me, so I was fucked.

LAM · 01-11-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nikegurl

they banned ephedra so it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

so far there is no reason to ban creatine.

the FDA is specifically targeting fat loss supplements and weight loss drugs because of the obesity epedemic in the US. they are trying to actually weed out products which do not meet the actual claims made by the manufactures...

Vieope · 01-11-2005, 05:16 PM

Is there a possibility that they will manufacture PH for medical use? So you can get it with a prescription? I don´t even know if they do that already.

DemolitionNine · 01-11-2005, 05:57 PM

I saw an article on TV where they're starting to do Gene modifications.

You want bigger muscles, all's they have to do is modify such-and-such gene to trigger it, and BAM. No supplements, no bullshit, just a LIFE-LONG of big-ass muscles. (they saw the gene in Swedish Cows or something).

They said they can also do endurance oriented Genes, Explosion Genes (like sprinting, or quick swimming), etc. They can basically tailer your genes to your goals. Gene modifying is also undetectable by standard drug testing, so you know damn right the athletes and the olympians are gunna go straight for it.

Stu · 01-11-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vieope

Is there a possibility that they will manufacture PH for medical use? So you can get it with a prescription? I don´t even know if they do that already.

i doubt it why would they use a precursor when they can just use real steroids

Vieope · 01-11-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stu21Ldn

i doubt it why would they use a precursor when they can just use real steroids

Why? It is benefitial to your health. It is safer than most steroids. Some steroids are very expesive to make, almost all PH are very inexpensive.

Vieope · 01-11-2005, 06:03 PM

Btw I use too much

MTN WARRIOR · 01-11-2005, 06:04 PM

Which is why I purchased 10 cycles of PHs/M1T ahead of time

thatguy · 01-11-2005, 06:18 PM

Plus it would be legal. That's a plus with most people (including me).

RCfootball87 · 01-11-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vieope

Why? It is benefitial to your health. It is safer than most steroids. Some steroids are very expesive to make, almost all PH are very inexpensive.

The reason most steroids are expensive if because they're illegal. If cocaine was legalized they could sell it for $10 a kilo, not 10,000. It's easier to refine than sugar. It's the fact that people take risks to get it to you, that drives up the price. The longer steroid sentences may drive up prices, especially if they manage to limit the supply of incoming juice to the U.S. If anyone is actually trying to buy pro-hormones post ban, the price is gonna skyrocket. And as for the government needing proof to ban something, they pretty much do whatever the want/ whatever the media wants them to do. They are not Americans, they are politicians, and a bigger threat to this country's freedoms than the terrorists in my opinion. So yeah if they try to ban creatine their will be a bigger outcry because of widespread use, but they'd still do it if it would look good to get them reelected. That said, I don't think they will at this point as it had found favor with the NFL and other sports organizations approving of it, which was why steroids got banned in the late 80's, sports organizations bitching to congress. It's all ashame.

GuyinDC · 01-11-2005, 08:40 PM

I agree with LAM. My gut feel is that the FDA will only go after a supplement that is perceived to be harmful. I agree that the ephedra ban is nonsense. Used properly it is safer than Tylenol. But unfortunately there were some publicized incidents of people using it improperly (particularly that baseball player whose name I forget).

The prohormone ban is more complicated. Let's face it, prohormones can really hurt you if not used properly (proper dosage, proper cycle time, proper PCT, improperly used by boys). Also, the sports industry, for complicated reasons, was one of the chief sponsors of the ban. I wasn't shocked when prohormones were banned.

However, as for supplements like creatine and most everything else currently legal, I doubt the FDA will be interested. Three reasons: (1) nutritional supplements simply aren't harmful; the worst that can be said is that some are a waste of money, (2) the supplement industry could fight back and get Congress to stop the FDA, as it did years ago when the FDA tried to start regulating all supplements (remember this is, after all, a capitalist country and Congress listens to business, a source of contributions and votes), and (3) the FDA currently has some big issues to deal with, such as Aleve and Vioxx.

Still, the legislation that permits the ban is an encroachment. We'll see what happens if a new supplement arises that "pushes the envelope."

thatguy · 01-11-2005, 09:57 PM

I don't think the government will really go after people they think are using/distributing prohormones very hard. It is not worth their time or money to do so. They don't even go after steroids that hard. If they really wanted to go after steroids hard, they'd go to the guys they KNOW are taking them (any pro bodybuilder), test them as positive, search their house after the positive test result gave them "probable cause," and convict them. To my knowledge that's never happened. So PH/PS's should be even less of a problem.

My concern is that this law will "stunt" the development of the sports supplement industry because the companies are scared that they will invest all this money into a supplement that is just going to get banned anyway. If that happens, it will really hurt bodybuilding since bodybuilding is largely driven by supplement companies. That would be a shame.

**dg806** · 01-12-2005, 08:18 AM

A paraphrase of something -
When they came for the smokers I wasn't one so I said nothing.
When they came for the SUV owners, I wasn't one so I did nothing.
When they came for the gun owners I wasn't one so I didn't care.
When they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me, so I was fucked

Man this statement is so true. I'm gun owner and gun nut and I've been saying this exact same thing for years. When they get your guns they will get anything they want.
Too bad this went through!

gococksDJS · 01-12-2005, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dg806

A paraphrase of something -
When they came for the smokers I wasn't one so I said nothing.
When they came for the SUV owners, I wasn't one so I did nothing.
When they came for the gun owners I wasn't one so I didn't care.
When they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me, so I was fucked

Man this statement is so true. I'm gun owner and gun nut and I've been saying this exact same thing for years. When they get your guns they will get anything they want.
Too bad this went through!

That is a cool statement dg. Im also a gun nut.

**dg806** · 01-12-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by gococksDJS

That is a cool statement dg. Im also a gun nut.

brogers · 01-12-2005, 09:04 AM

When they came for the smokers I wasn't one so I said nothing.
When they came for the SUV owners, I wasn't one so I did nothing.
When they came for the gun owners I wasn't one so I didn't care.
When they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me, so I was fucked

This is where it actually came from if anyone is interested.

First they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for trade unionists, and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a trade unionists.

Then they came for the homosexuals, and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a homosexual.

Then they came for me,
but by that time there was no one left to speak up for me

attributed to Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945.

Witmaster · 01-12-2005, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brogers

When they came for the smokers I wasn't one so I said nothing.
When they came for the SUV owners, I wasn't one so I did nothing.
When they came for the gun owners I wasn't one so I didn't care.
When they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me, so I was fucked

This is where it actually came from if anyone is interested.

First they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for trade unionists, and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a trade unionists.

Then they came for the homosexuals, and I didn't speak up,
because I wasn't a homosexual.

Then they came for me,
but by that time there was no one left to speak up for me

attributed to Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945.

I Like dg's version better

01-11-2005, 02:14 PM	#1
thatguy Training again...finally Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 904	The future of supplements How do you think the supplement industry will react after January 20? How long do you think it will take for them to come out with something that even competes with the effectiveness of PH/PS's?

01-11-2005, 02:37 PM	#8
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,641	which reminds me - don't be surprised if they try to ban creatine If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

01-11-2005, 04:05 PM	#12
SJ69 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 1,061 Photos: 1	There is no future. "I don't like small cars or real big women, but somehow I always find myself in 'em" - KR

01-11-2005, 04:11 PM	#13
SJ69 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 1,061 Photos: 1	Everything that works is illegal. Now the future for the black market is lookin' pretty good. It will be just like in the 80's the only effective supp will be a food product called "protein powder". Everything else will be a scam. Only hormones send the signal that is needed "synthesisize protein" everyhing else is bullshit. You may get a little benifit from creatine. Life was good when we lived in a free society and could purchase 1-m-t and Stackers, those days are gone. A paraphrase of something - When they came for the smokers I wasn't one so I said nothing. When they came for the SUV owners, I wasn't one so I did nothing. When they came for the gun owners I wasn't one so I didn't care. When they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me, so I was fucked. "I don't like small cars or real big women, but somehow I always find myself in 'em" - KR

01-11-2005, 05:57 PM	#16
DemolitionNine Freerider Forever Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lenexa, KS Posts: 124	I saw an article on TV where they're starting to do Gene modifications. You want bigger muscles, all's they have to do is modify such-and-such gene to trigger it, and BAM. No supplements, no bullshit, just a LIFE-LONG of big-ass muscles. (they saw the gene in Swedish Cows or something). They said they can also do endurance oriented Genes, Explosion Genes (like sprinting, or quick swimming), etc. They can basically tailer your genes to your goals. Gene modifying is also undetectable by standard drug testing, so you know damn right the athletes and the olympians are gunna go straight for it. 5' 10", 173lbs of (almost) pure muscle. Bench: 270lbs Incline: 210lbs Decline: 285lbs Curl: 145lbs (bar-style) Squat: 375lbs Live Long. Lift Strong. Ride Hard. Play Hard.

01-11-2005, 02:48 PM	#9
thatguy Training again...finally Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 904	I don't know - I'd be surprised if they could prove that young adolescents are screwing up their bodies on creatine.

01-11-2005, 03:02 PM	#10
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,967 Photos: 10	Ironmag Labs needs to build the first PH precursor.

01-11-2005, 05:16 PM	#15
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,967 Photos: 10	Is there a possibility that they will manufacture PH for medical use? So you can get it with a prescription? I don´t even know if they do that already.

01-11-2005, 06:03 PM	#19
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,967 Photos: 10	Btw I use too much

01-11-2005, 06:04 PM	#20
MTN WARRIOR HOOAH!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: HOOAHVILLE Posts: 604	Which is why I purchased 10 cycles of PHs/M1T ahead of time THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL ME, CERTAINLY MUST MAKE ME STRONGER

01-11-2005, 06:18 PM	#21
thatguy Training again...finally Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 904	Plus it would be legal. That's a plus with most people (including me).

01-11-2005, 08:40 PM	#23
GuyinDC Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 17	I agree with LAM. My gut feel is that the FDA will only go after a supplement that is perceived to be harmful. I agree that the ephedra ban is nonsense. Used properly it is safer than Tylenol. But unfortunately there were some publicized incidents of people using it improperly (particularly that baseball player whose name I forget). The prohormone ban is more complicated. Let's face it, prohormones can really hurt you if not used properly (proper dosage, proper cycle time, proper PCT, improperly used by boys). Also, the sports industry, for complicated reasons, was one of the chief sponsors of the ban. I wasn't shocked when prohormones were banned. However, as for supplements like creatine and most everything else currently legal, I doubt the FDA will be interested. Three reasons: (1) nutritional supplements simply aren't harmful; the worst that can be said is that some are a waste of money, (2) the supplement industry could fight back and get Congress to stop the FDA, as it did years ago when the FDA tried to start regulating all supplements (remember this is, after all, a capitalist country and Congress listens to business, a source of contributions and votes), and (3) the FDA currently has some big issues to deal with, such as Aleve and Vioxx. Still, the legislation that permits the ban is an encroachment. We'll see what happens if a new supplement arises that "pushes the envelope."

01-11-2005, 09:57 PM	#24
thatguy Training again...finally Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 904	I don't think the government will really go after people they think are using/distributing prohormones very hard. It is not worth their time or money to do so. They don't even go after steroids that hard. If they really wanted to go after steroids hard, they'd go to the guys they KNOW are taking them (any pro bodybuilder), test them as positive, search their house after the positive test result gave them "probable cause," and convict them. To my knowledge that's never happened. So PH/PS's should be even less of a problem. My concern is that this law will "stunt" the development of the sports supplement industry because the companies are scared that they will invest all this money into a supplement that is just going to get banned anyway. If that happens, it will really hurt bodybuilding since bodybuilding is largely driven by supplement companies. That would be a shame.

01-12-2005, 08:18 AM	#25
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,196	A paraphrase of something - When they came for the smokers I wasn't one so I said nothing. When they came for the SUV owners, I wasn't one so I did nothing. When they came for the gun owners I wasn't one so I didn't care. When they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me, so I was fucked Man this statement is so true. I'm gun owner and gun nut and I've been saying this exact same thing for years. When they get your guns they will get anything they want. Too bad this went through! 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

01-12-2005, 09:04 AM	#28
brogers Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,502	When they came for the smokers I wasn't one so I said nothing. When they came for the SUV owners, I wasn't one so I did nothing. When they came for the gun owners I wasn't one so I didn't care. When they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me, so I was fucked This is where it actually came from if anyone is interested. First they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for trade unionists, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a trade unionists. Then they came for the homosexuals, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a homosexual. Then they came for me, but by that time there was no one left to speak up for me attributed to Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945.

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