Thread: Methyl Rage

Youre planning on running two methyls together?

Yeah I don't get the "don't run two methyl's together" argument.
For example say d-bol and winny are about the same as far as hepatoxicity is concerned.
Person A 30mg d-bol
Person B 15mg winny, 15mg d-bol
Why would person B be more at risk?
Not trying to be a smart ass, I just don't get the logic.
It seems to be just one of those things that sounds resonable.

Well youre talking about running 25mg M1t, pretty hepatoxic. Then adding 12.5 or 25mg MDHT? Thats a bit more. Hepatoxicity is different for every compound.

I mean, either way, its your liver and your life. Personally, I wouldnt do it.

Of all that I've learned about M1T, nearly everyone who's knowledgeable about it, say not to go over 20mg (and even that's pushing it). Yeah, you've done it before, but that doesn't mean it was good for your liver. Did you get a workup on your liver?

I'm doing a cycle of M1T right now, and I'll not be going over 10mg this time and never over 15mg on any future cycle. Add to that the fact that you want to stack with another methylated PH.

Just because you can't see the damage, doesn't mean that the damage isn't being done.

Originally Posted by SJ69

Yeah I don't get the "don't run two methyl's together" argument.
For example say d-bol and winny are about the same as far as hepatoxicity is concerned.
Person A 30mg d-bol
Person B 15mg winny, 15mg d-bol
Why would person B be more at risk?
Not trying to be a smart ass, I just don't get the logic.
It seems to be just one of those things that sounds resonable.

Why would you want to run winny and dbol together? IMO you should start a cycle with dbol then cut with winny the last few weeks. I know you just used this as an example but i dont see why someone would actually do it.

15mg m-1-t did nothing for me, 25mg worked great. Liver enzymes and lipids were all A-OK. I get periodic blood test to moniter cholesterol, plus while on Accutane it was required.
The point of the winny / d-bol was just that 30mg of 17aa is 30mg of 17aa.
I do understand different 17 aa's have different toxicity.
100mg Anadrol is a common daily dosage.
For me I'm lookin' at 25mg of methyls and 37.5mg on workout days.
Is m-1-t more toxic than anadrol?

is it that important to do what you want to do to make you stronger, presumably healthier, and at the same time risk damaging your vital internal organs? I ask, because this is the question I had to ask myself. M1T is like poison to your liver. Adding and potentiating synergism and hepatoxicity, I concluded, is a foolish and counterproductive risk. Now, let's hope I can follow my own advice, and play it safe with regards to strong substances. I hope you feel the same way too.

I feel the real question is just how toxic is M1T? And, how does it compare to D-bol from a hepatoxic perspective. There does not seem to be much "scientific" data on M1T. I have read in various articles and on various on-line boards that D-bol wa consumed in rather large quantities in the late 60's thru the 80's. Like 50mg on up per day. And folks took them for months on end. (my dad took them form many years and was a heavy drinker at the time as well - still alive and kicking at 74). No major increase in liver related issues were reported in the medical community. In the book Legal Steroids, I recall a female using oral stroids for like 5 years with no liver issues (I recall that it was documented in a medical journal). I am fairly sure it was a C-17 oral as well. My point is that in years past, methylated orals were taken for long cycles and PCT was not used as a normal course of the process, and there were no epidemic liver related issues. I will not argue that methylated drugs are hepatoxic. I believe that has been documented. However, how toxic are they? And how toxic is M1T? Also, is one brand of M1T more toxic than another? Until a study or some medial research is conducted, we can only speculate. Common sense tell me to use M1T with caution (start with low doses and increase doses in small amounts over several cycles) and to remember that my body may react differently than someone elses body to PHs and AAS's.

Originally Posted by SJ69

15mg m-1-t did nothing for me, 25mg worked great. Liver enzymes and lipids were all A-OK. I get periodic blood test to moniter cholesterol, plus while on Accutane it was required.
The point of the winny / d-bol was just that 30mg of 17aa is 30mg of 17aa.
I do understand different 17 aa's have different toxicity.
100mg Anadrol is a common daily dosage.
For me I'm lookin' at 25mg of methyls and 37.5mg on workout days.
Is m-1-t more toxic than anadrol?

You guys are very naive. You can't compare one aas to another in terms of toxicity. M1T is probably the harshest steriods ever developed. It tanks HDL numbers to single digits and LDL levels well into the hundreds. Now if you don't know what that means, I suggest you do some reading. If you have ever seen the threads on bloodwork while on M1T, you see what the liver enzymes are! Will these repair themselves? Maybe.................depends on the level of damage.

I've used Methyl-Jacked from custom a couple of times pre-workout. I didn't really notice much of an effect. Interesting I find that M5AA is more effective, even though it converts to DHT. I've seen a few posts on AM suggesting that you need to run it for a couple of weeks to see decent results.

Originally Posted by dg806

You guys are very naive. You can't compare one aas to another in terms of toxicity. M1T is probably the harshest steriods ever developed. It tanks HDL numbers to single digits and LDL levels well into the hundreds. Now if you don't know what that means, I suggest you do some reading. If you have ever seen the threads on bloodwork while on M1T, you see what the liver enzymes are! Will these repair themselves? Maybe.................depends on the level of damage.

Could you link me to some of these journals please.

DG is referring to blood tests published by M1T users on boards like AnabolicMinds.com Look for posts by people like SuperSoldier and you'll see an extensive array of blood tests on M1T and other PH/PS.

Originally Posted by dg806

You guys are very naive. You can't compare one aas to another in terms of toxicity. M1T is probably the harshest steriods ever developed. It tanks HDL numbers to single digits and LDL levels well into the hundreds. Now if you don't know what that means, I suggest you do some reading. If you have ever seen the threads on bloodwork while on M1T, you see what the liver enzymes are! Will these repair themselves? Maybe.................depends on the level of damage.

I know different cpds are different in terms of toxicity. see above
My point was there is no evidence of a synergistic effect as far as toxicity.
Synergistic means 1 + 1 = 3 ie the combined effect is more than the sum of the parts.
I believe the toxic effect is mearly additive (1+1 = 2)
So what Iwas trying to say is that 20mg M-1-T and 12.5g of m-DHT can't be any worse than 33.5 mg 1-m-t assuming the m-DHT is as toxic or less toxic than the m-1-t.
I do understand lipid profiles and hdl : LDL ratios as well.
One month after my last 25 day cycle my lipid profile was within normal ranges for me.

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I do understand different 17 aa's have different toxicity.
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Ummmm naive...maybe so, experienced - no way. I have only 2 cycles of M1T under my belt and would never consider myself an expert on it. If I implied that one should take 50mg of M1T (or more), then it is my fault. My reference to D-bol cycles in years past was to point out that methlated steroids have been taken in large doses for long cycles. These folks were assuming risks that they were unaware of at the time (or possibly ignored). I see M1T in a similar light at this time. There are not a lot of medical studies to support what is a safe doseage and cycle length (actually I have not found any studies. Only one personal experience documented on another board, supported with blood work). The general conclusion is that M1T is very hepatoxic. I do not disagree with this statement, however, I am seeking more scientific support. Unfortunatly, M1T will in all likelyhood not be the center of any scientific study. So we are left with reviewing personal experiences documented by users of M1T (lab rats if you will).

Also, I would not mix 2 methyls and I would not take more than 20mg per day of M1T. I see good effects from 10mg per day stacked with 4AD. For me, that doseage works well. I had blood work done as part of my physicals at around the 6 week post cycle mark and all were in the normal ranges (Dr. did not seemed concerned at all and I made it a point to ask about them each time). What I was (and still am) seeking was more info on any studies relating to M1T and how the toxicity of M1T might be compared to D-bol. I am not trying to argue the point, I am trying to understand how M1T can be considered one of the harsheset steroids ever developed, but some how cannot be compared to other AAS's (and D-bol specifically) and with little or no scientific data to support the statement.

Again, I am in no way trying to come across as an expert or that M1T is not hepatoxic, I just want to understand the issue better so I can manage my risks associated with recreational use of M1T.

Originally Posted by dg806

You guys are very naive. You can't compare one aas to another in terms of toxicity. M1T is probably the harshest steriods ever developed. It tanks HDL numbers to single digits and LDL levels well into the hundreds. Now if you don't know what that means, I suggest you do some reading. If you have ever seen the threads on bloodwork while on M1T, you see what the liver enzymes are! Will these repair themselves? Maybe.................depends on the level of damage.