Superdrol banned ?

simbh · 01-18-2005, 09:48 AM

I checked the banned list but I didn't see it methasteron(superdrol) on it. I might of just missed it ... But is it on the banned list ?

**Dale Mabry** · 01-18-2005, 09:49 AM

No, it is too new, but no one will be making it unless they reverse engineer it.

Of course that all could change.

**dg806** · 01-18-2005, 09:50 AM

Explain reverse engineer...........LOL

simbh · 01-18-2005, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

No, it is too new, but no one will be making it unless they reverse engineer it.

Of course that all could change.

What you mean by reverse engineer it ?

And why would anyone make it as it is , if its legal ? From the fear being made illigal in the upcoming months ?

**dg806** · 01-18-2005, 09:55 AM

I would guess it would cost a minimum $25k to get the raws from china. No one will risk that getting seized.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-18-2005, 09:57 AM

Here is what I know. One of the shipments Sledge (The maker) ordered from China was seized before the last batch. So, he essentially footed all the money only to lose it. This will prolly become common practice after the ban regardless of whether or not it is banned yet.

By reverse engineer it, I mean that someone get's Superdrol and then uses the chemical itself to figure out how to make it. Someone else could do it, but they would be taking a chance of the raw chemical being snatched at customs. If you foot $5000 and don't know whether you will even get the shipment, there is not much reason to bother.

simbh · 01-18-2005, 10:00 AM

Although , if they dont get seized , it's $$$ making time

It's when you risk something that you can make the best amount of $

thatguy · 01-18-2005, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Here is what I know. One of the shipments Sledge (The maker) ordered from China was seized before the last batch. So, he essentially footed all the money only to lose it. This will prolly become common practice after the ban regardless of whether or not it is banned yet.

By reverse engineer it, I mean that someone get's Superdrol and then uses the chemical itself to figure out how to make it. Someone else could do it, but they would be taking a chance of the raw chemical being snatched at customs. If you foot $5000 and don't know whether you will even get the shipment, there is not much reason to bother.

Sounds like Sledge needs to get a good lawyer behind him and press on. If it's not illegal, he can get that stuff back.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-18-2005, 12:28 PM

He can get the stuff back, while he is tied up in legal proceedings they ban it, then he has spent $25k on the supps and at least that on legal fees to possess something eh will never be able to sell.

thatguy · 01-18-2005, 12:31 PM

I think the price of legal fees versus the money he would make by selling another batch of Superdrol is worth the risk.

Besides, to add another supplement to the ban list, wouldn't they have to give another 90-day period to supplement companies?

**Dale Mabry** · 01-18-2005, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatguy

I think the price of legal fees versus the money he would make by selling another batch of Superdrol is worth the risk.

Besides, to add another supplement to the ban list, wouldn't they have to give another 90-day period to supplement companies?

I doubt it, but I bet he would be tied up in court for way more than 90 days anyway, then if it is banned, he wasted all that money for nothing and gets no product.

thatguy · 01-18-2005, 12:36 PM

Is there any way to get the raws from within the US? Even if it is more expensive, I think people would pay a premium for a legal PH/PS.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-18-2005, 12:38 PM

Yeah, there are but I believe Sledge was saying they were 6 figures. So essentially you will be paying at least 4 times as much, prolly more like 10 times. You might as well just do real stuff then.

thatguy · 01-18-2005, 12:44 PM

Wow, six figures. That is ridiculous. Maybe we should all move to China.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-18-2005, 12:50 PM

No shiz, eh. They do make good ass food.

**dg806** · 01-18-2005, 01:35 PM

The FDA will be able to ban anything at anytime supposedly............no 90 day grace! There won't be any loopholes this time!

rrgg · 01-19-2005, 11:02 AM

Quote:

I doubt it, but I bet he would be tied up in court for way more than 90 days anyway, then if it is banned, he wasted all that money for nothing and gets no product.

If something got seized while legal and then got banned while sledge was in court, someone is still responsible for the illegal seizure. That agency could then be made to pay damages for the loss. I know this is hypothetical, but it's probably not too far fetched.

Twin Peak · 01-19-2005, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg806

The FDA will be able to ban anything at anytime supposedly............no 90 day grace! There won't be any loopholes this time!

Where are you getting this crazy notion from?

Twin Peak · 01-19-2005, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrgg

If something got seized while legal and then got banned while sledge was in court, someone is still responsible for the illegal seizure. That agency could then be made to pay damages for the loss. I know this is hypothetical, but it's probably not too far fetched.

Its very far fetched. Holding something (anything) while it is tested is not illegal.

Aside from that, is everyone really unaware that all PHs and PSs were never legal to sell as dietary supplements?

This ban made them illegal compounds, but they have never been legal to sell.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-19-2005, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Its very far fetched. Holding something (anything) while it is tested is not illegal.

Aside from that, is everyone really unaware that all PHs and PSs were never legal to sell as dietary supplements?

This ban made them illegal compounds, but they have never been legal to sell.

You lawyers and your double talk.

**dg806** · 01-19-2005, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Where are you getting this crazy notion from?

I'm talking AG, PH/PS here........

Twin Peak · 01-19-2005, 12:21 PM

Ah, that is a whole different story.

rrgg · 01-19-2005, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Its very far fetched. Holding something (anything) while it is tested is not illegal.

In this hypothetical case, the property would not be returned despite the fact that it was legal to possess at the time of seizure. In that sense, I am talking about suing for damages due to loss of property.

However... I glossed over the fact that this is probably a customs case. In that sense, you are probably right that the importer would be SOL.

01-18-2005, 09:48 AM	#1
simbh Simon Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Ottawa Region , Canada Posts: 986 Photos: 4	Superdrol banned ? I checked the banned list but I didn't see it methasteron(superdrol) on it. I might of just missed it ... But is it on the banned list ?
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01-18-2005, 09:49 AM	#2
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,873 Photos: 10	No, it is too new, but no one will be making it unless they reverse engineer it. Of course that all could change.
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01-18-2005, 09:50 AM	#3
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01-18-2005, 09:55 AM	#5
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,417	I would guess it would cost a minimum $25k to get the raws from china. No one will risk that getting seized.
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01-18-2005, 09:57 AM	#6
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,873 Photos: 10	Here is what I know. One of the shipments Sledge (The maker) ordered from China was seized before the last batch. So, he essentially footed all the money only to lose it. This will prolly become common practice after the ban regardless of whether or not it is banned yet. By reverse engineer it, I mean that someone get's Superdrol and then uses the chemical itself to figure out how to make it. Someone else could do it, but they would be taking a chance of the raw chemical being snatched at customs. If you foot $5000 and don't know whether you will even get the shipment, there is not much reason to bother.
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01-18-2005, 10:00 AM	#7
simbh Simon Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Ottawa Region , Canada Posts: 986 Photos: 4	Although , if they dont get seized , it's $$$ making time It's when you risk something that you can make the best amount of $
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01-18-2005, 12:28 PM	#9
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,873 Photos: 10	He can get the stuff back, while he is tied up in legal proceedings they ban it, then he has spent $25k on the supps and at least that on legal fees to possess something eh will never be able to sell.
	If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

01-18-2005, 12:31 PM	#10
thatguy Training again...finally Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 904	I think the price of legal fees versus the money he would make by selling another batch of Superdrol is worth the risk. Besides, to add another supplement to the ban list, wouldn't they have to give another 90-day period to supplement companies?

01-18-2005, 12:36 PM	#12
thatguy Training again...finally Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 904	Is there any way to get the raws from within the US? Even if it is more expensive, I think people would pay a premium for a legal PH/PS.

01-18-2005, 12:38 PM	#13
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,873 Photos: 10	Yeah, there are but I believe Sledge was saying they were 6 figures. So essentially you will be paying at least 4 times as much, prolly more like 10 times. You might as well just do real stuff then.
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01-18-2005, 12:44 PM	#14
thatguy Training again...finally Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 904	Wow, six figures. That is ridiculous. Maybe we should all move to China.

01-18-2005, 12:50 PM	#15
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,873 Photos: 10	No shiz, eh. They do make good ass food.
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01-18-2005, 01:35 PM	#16
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,417	The FDA will be able to ban anything at anytime supposedly............no 90 day grace! There won't be any loopholes this time!
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