Taking 4derm by it self...no stack

musclepump · 01-22-2005, 11:10 PM

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot they lock up morons like you so they can't go out and BUY SOME MORE of something. I'll bet you've forgotten what fresh air is like.

Curlingcadys · 01-22-2005, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musclepump

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot they lock up morons like you so they can't go out and BUY SOME MORE of something. I'll bet you've forgotten what fresh air is like.

ahh the pot calling the kettle black again!

Do you get up early to practice acting like corky from Life Goes On?
HELLO, THEY'RE BANNED?!

and no I don't deal with the black market

musclepump · 01-22-2005, 11:49 PM

Yes sir good citizen sir!

Curlingcadys · 01-22-2005, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musclepump

Yes sir good citizen sir!

this has been entertaining...

brodus · 01-23-2005, 03:36 AM

MusclePump--what the hell are you doing extolling M1T like it's not harmful shit? Seriously, how much bloodwork have you read or run on yourself? Aside from plummeting liver values and total testost. shutdown in 72 hours, M1T DESTROYS your lipid profiles...this has been verified time and time again. I was part of a group who tried to come up with an ancillary regime that would offset the horrible cholesterol change.

In fact, it is for these very reasons that Designer Supplements came out with Superdrol. I was a beta tester for that as well. It is also not terribly friendly on the Chol. values, but on everything else it is very moderate.

The more research we do on M1T, the worse it looks. I have no doubt that you and a lot of others added mass fast, and felt it had few side effects. The problem is, you wouldn't feel your lipid profile going to shit, and placing you at risk for serious cardiovascular trauma.

Additionally, very strange things happen to blood glycogen levels on M1T as well. All of these factors combined seem to compromise the immune system in many subjects, addtionally. This is based on numerous anecdotal reports that occur with such frquency that the phrase "M1T Flu" became popular even on this board, which lacks a lot of the scientific background available on others.

NOW...as for the original question, yes, 4AD solo will work. I've done well over 1,000mg daily in a transdermal, just to see what it would do

Yes, you have to bathe in a lot of gel. (I also advise picking up a DMSO roll-on and using it just prior to application). It made me feel very, very good, and I worked out like a madman and grew. This is how I learned that there is a reason that Test. is the foundation of all BB'rs stacks. Further, based on bloodwork, we know it's possible to get Test. numbers up over 1,500-2,000 using 4AD products.

**dg806** · 01-23-2005, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brodus

Further, based on bloodwork, we know it's possible to get Test. numbers up over 1,500-2,000 using 4AD products.

Nice info!

Curlingcadys · 01-23-2005, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brodus

MusclePump--what the hell are you doing extolling M1T like it's not harmful shit? Seriously, how much bloodwork have you read or run on yourself? Aside from plummeting liver values and total testost. shutdown in 72 hours, M1T DESTROYS your lipid profiles...this has been verified time and time again. I was part of a group who tried to come up with an ancillary regime that would offset the horrible cholesterol change.

In fact, it is for these very reasons that Designer Supplements came out with Superdrol. I was a beta tester for that as well. It is also not terribly friendly on the Chol. values, but on everything else it is very moderate.

The more research we do on M1T, the worse it looks. I have no doubt that you and a lot of others added mass fast, and felt it had few side effects. The problem is, you wouldn't feel your lipid profile going to shit, and placing you at risk for serious cardiovascular trauma.

Additionally, very strange things happen to blood glycogen levels on M1T as well. All of these factors combined seem to compromise the immune system in many subjects, addtionally. This is based on numerous anecdotal reports that occur with such frquency that the phrase "M1T Flu" became popular even on this board, which lacks a lot of the scientific background available on others.

NOW...as for the original question, yes, 4AD solo will work. I've done well over 1,000mg daily in a transdermal, just to see what it would do

Yes, you have to bathe in a lot of gel. (I also advise picking up a DMSO roll-on and using it just prior to application). It made me feel very, very good, and I worked out like a madman and grew. This is how I learned that there is a reason that Test. is the foundation of all BB'rs stacks. Further, based on bloodwork, we know it's possible to get Test. numbers up over 1,500-2,000 using 4AD products.

thanks for the info

brodus · 01-23-2005, 01:30 PM

Yeah, no one would argue that M1T doesn't add mass quickly...but there are so many safer alternatives. The more we find out about it, the worse it looks on basically every system in the body. Oh, and brown piss means internal bleeding-->I've read reports from at least five people now who experienced this. Very disturbing.

I am one of those who has decided to basically eliminate M1T from my cycles as well, based on what I've read, experienced, and seen.

brodus · 01-23-2005, 01:34 PM

BTW, the 2,000+ number is from injectable 4ADcyp @ 2grams per week.

I think the upper limit with a transdermal (using DMSO pre-apply) @ 1gram per day is going to be around 1,500-1,7000. Of course, this is double to triple what many people's baseline # is.

@ 85 cents a gram and with Stryders new Penetrate Gel (very inexpensive), it's not terribly expensive to run a T/D 4AD cycle @ a gram daily....nowhere near a VPX cycle.

01-22-2005, 11:10 PM	#31
musclepump Celebrity PersonalTrainer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,666 Photos: 128	Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot they lock up morons like you so they can't go out and BUY SOME MORE of something. I'll bet you've forgotten what fresh air is like.
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01-23-2005, 03:36 AM	#35
brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	MusclePump--what the hell are you doing extolling M1T like it's not harmful shit? Seriously, how much bloodwork have you read or run on yourself? Aside from plummeting liver values and total testost. shutdown in 72 hours, M1T DESTROYS your lipid profiles...this has been verified time and time again. I was part of a group who tried to come up with an ancillary regime that would offset the horrible cholesterol change. In fact, it is for these very reasons that Designer Supplements came out with Superdrol. I was a beta tester for that as well. It is also not terribly friendly on the Chol. values, but on everything else it is very moderate. The more research we do on M1T, the worse it looks. I have no doubt that you and a lot of others added mass fast, and felt it had few side effects. The problem is, you wouldn't feel your lipid profile going to shit, and placing you at risk for serious cardiovascular trauma. Additionally, very strange things happen to blood glycogen levels on M1T as well. All of these factors combined seem to compromise the immune system in many subjects, addtionally. This is based on numerous anecdotal reports that occur with such frquency that the phrase "M1T Flu" became popular even on this board, which lacks a lot of the scientific background available on others. NOW...as for the original question, yes, 4AD solo will work. I've done well over 1,000mg daily in a transdermal, just to see what it would do Yes, you have to bathe in a lot of gel. (I also advise picking up a DMSO roll-on and using it just prior to application). It made me feel very, very good, and I worked out like a madman and grew. This is how I learned that there is a reason that Test. is the foundation of all BB'rs stacks. Further, based on bloodwork, we know it's possible to get Test. numbers up over 1,500-2,000 using 4AD products.
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01-23-2005, 01:30 PM	#38
brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	Yeah, no one would argue that M1T doesn't add mass quickly...but there are so many safer alternatives. The more we find out about it, the worse it looks on basically every system in the body. Oh, and brown piss means internal bleeding-->I've read reports from at least five people now who experienced this. Very disturbing. I am one of those who has decided to basically eliminate M1T from my cycles as well, based on what I've read, experienced, and seen.
	Graham Cousens Band My Space http://www.flymantell.com http://www.bifunkal.com http://www.livebandkaraokechicago.com http://www.worldclassnoise.com

01-23-2005, 01:34 PM	#39
brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	BTW, the 2,000+ number is from injectable 4ADcyp @ 2grams per week. I think the upper limit with a transdermal (using DMSO pre-apply) @ 1gram per day is going to be around 1,500-1,7000. Of course, this is double to triple what many people's baseline # is. @ 85 cents a gram and with Stryders new Penetrate Gel (very inexpensive), it's not terribly expensive to run a T/D 4AD cycle @ a gram daily....nowhere near a VPX cycle.
	Graham Cousens Band My Space http://www.flymantell.com http://www.bifunkal.com http://www.livebandkaraokechicago.com http://www.worldclassnoise.com

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