Tha Don

okay i'm on my 7th day of a 1-ad 4derm cycle and my nipples are looking a bit funny, they are little bit lumpy at times (like kinda firm, almoast like they are erected but more lumpy than normal) but at other times they just look a little bit puffed but not so lumpy, its weird

i've felt no itching, pain or irritation so far, i'm wondering is it normal to experience stuff like this? or should i be thinking about the nolva right now

just don't want to take any risks

thanks

Stu

First cylce nerves prehaps?

I think your nipples get very itchy with gyno, but could be wrong

simbh

Ya , I had the same thing on day 3 ... Its just nerves I think ... Since chances of having gyno on 1-ad are very low , lower than m1t which are already low.

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Its the 4-ad thats more likely to cause gyno

If youve been running them both for 7 days its probably just the 4derm kicking in

Pirate!

You are fine, just paranoid. Probably a cold breeze. Happens to me all the time. If they perk up and stay that way and get real tender in a painful or itchy way just under the skin, start hitting the novla. I'd be real surprised if you got gyno on the amount of 4-ad you are running, Bro.

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Tha Don

okay guys thanks for reassuring me, i didn't think it would be gyno as i know the chances are very rare but i just wanted to be sure, i agree stu probably just the 4derm kicking in... man i was hard as a rock last night! strange coz my libdo has been low so far this week but all of a sudden its starting to pick up

erm... well last sunday i was 83.8kg and 14% bodyfat, this morning i was 86kg! but 15% bodyfat (so i've put on like roughly 2lbs muscle and 2lbs fat? ), i can't believe i'm still putting fat on, i'm still eating real clean right now.. maybe my metabolism is slower because i've been slacking on the cardio for so long, i dunno but the fat gain has shook me up a lil, i don't think i'm gonna really bulk again for a very long time after this, i'm just gonna get cut and stay cut, maybe run something at maintenance and try and add a little lean mass, seriously i've had enough of the fat gain, i'm a skinny hardgainer type guy so i don't get where the fat is coming from

any chance of that fat gain being water retention? i hope!

definately gonna run clen pct now and go on a heavy cut after this

redspy

Be careful not to cut calories too much during PCT, otherwise you'll lose your hard-earned gains. Keep the calories up, but keep them clean.

musclepump

Yeah you don't want to cut until a good bit after a solid, calorie-up'd PCT.

And I feel you on the nipple problem; I had REAL bad nerves because I had my nipples pierced about two weeks before I started my M1T cycle, so they hurt 24/7 and are always perked up. It was a frightening one

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QuestionGuy

jesus man~~~~!!!! I thought I was the only one fucking paranoid about this, I already think I have very light natural gyno, my tits and nipels are not leaning down but they are just kind of big, I gain very easy mass on my upper body and my chest is my most powerfull pride and posesion but I still am not sure about the normalness of their size........None of my friends have the size and the mass like me so I cant compare them to me....But now I am starting another 2 week cycle with 1-t and 4-ad (oral) I only have enough for 2 weeks, Plus I want to see how it is going to benefit me on a cut...

musclepump

Thought you were never going to touch this stuff again, QG?

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QuestionGuy

Hey I can sell it for 20 bux or I can use it for the last 2 weeks that I have it left right>???? I might as well just use it, since I got barely 2 weeks left of it..

musclepump

There ya go.

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rockcrest

this happened to me the first time i ran m1t, i attributed it to water retention because i got the % back down without changing the diet.


are you going straight into a cut after the cycle is over. are you concerned about losing your gains?

nyfoley

the same think happend to me on my second week of m1t, the nipples started to look puffy but i had no itching, i freaked and started my nolva early and it stopped, im not sure of it really was early gyno or what but im fine now

FishOrCutBait

BTW, if you think you do have some mild gyno, what is there you can do about it? cuz i cant tell if its just bodyfat or not, (im on my first bulk, and a couple months before summer, im gonna go on a cut) and im kinda buggin

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Tha Don

how did you get the % back down? did you managed to drop the water on cycle or did you lose it PCT? how did you go about losing it? you were really bloated up right? like a puffy face?

well, i'm not sure about this, i'm considering running clen pct just to prevent me getting any fatter whilst eating lots of cals, i don't know if it will be possible for me to lose fat over this period..? i still have a bit of research to do on it, i'll start cutting a couple of weeks after my PCT.. i've been told that should be enough time to retain the gains, i think the people with problems are those who drop cals during PCT, i'll keep mine above maintenance till the PCT is over

gococksDJS

just lick your nipples for about 30 minutes and all will be fine.

rockcrest

i didn't really dwell on it too much. i went about the cycle, kept cals up, and tried to eat a little cleaner. i did no cardio whatsoever. i was bloated in the face. i tested again during pct and the percentage was back down, but had shed some of the lbm. when i did that test the lbm was up quite a bit from the previous test (4lbs...which is a lot for me since i tip the scales at a whopping 150lbs), but i gained the fat too.


thats how i plan on going about things, but i thought you were going to start cutting the day you started pct with clen. i misunderstood you. so you are hitting the pct with clen, then doing you cut. i was planning on scooping some clen myself.

Tha Don

yeah apparently its very easy to add fat at the start of your pct, as you have little test in the system and you need to keep the cals up to retain gains... but workouts and cardio should be kept short, some even take a week off or lift HIT style

thing is, if i'm gonna be cutting heavy after my pct is there any point running clen during my pct? or should I just run an extra 2 weeks of clen on my cutting phase... because the fat will come off regardless when i cut, i'm not too sure... if i put on much more i prob will give it a shot over pct but i'm tempted to 'save' it for my cut if you get what i'm saying

rockcrest

i've never run clen during pct. i actually haven't used it at all in about 5 years. when i did use it my skin felt like shrink wrap on my body but i'd get the shakes & jitters. i plan on using it once i start to cut.