silencer

I've read the sticky, but I would like to know what would be the best stack for the first cyle on ph's? If your aim is too Bulk/Gain Size... I am only planning to do one cycle, and not now either...in the future, yet I want to buy them before they run out in the UK.

Underground Labs M1T (60 Tablet * Methyl 1-T 5 mg )
Dermabolics 4Derm
PCT : 6 OXO ?

I am aware that you need to comsume around 4000 calories per day and keep eating large amounts throughout the cycle....

The above stack is just one I found that is being sold on the website that I buy most of my supps from...but please advise if this would not be suited for a 1st cycle...any more info needed?

Im also a tiny bit confused about dosages(I am no where near to running it so I'm not too worried at the moment)

15mg a Day right is recommended?

-Thanks everyone.

Luke9583

Don't do it man.

Why bother?

"If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

Luke9583

And just so you know... M1t isn't a pro hormone. It's an anabolic steroid. It's a joke of an AAS since it's so damn tough on your guts. But it is an AAS none the less.

Why do you feel you need to use a steroid? Are you that disatisfied with your progress in the gym?

If you're not happy now, you'll never be happy. Learn how to be happy without fucking yourself up.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

silencer

Not really, Everything is fine at the moment, but the day will come when I enevitably will hit a plateau which will be hard to break...like I have done in the past. But I don't see why with careful preparation and precautions a reasonably mild cycle would not be worthwhile? I mean, why not ?

Luke9583

This is when you look at your diet and say " Fuck, Lets try something different. "



I hear Coccaine is GREAT STUFF MAN! The question isn't "why not". The question is "why"

Think about it.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

silencer

Well I appreciate the caution I am being given. Yet I can unfortunately answer your questions. I used to do cocaine in my 'troubled youth'..its great Yea for confidence(for 30minutes) but its very expensive Cost wise as well as healthwise...Why? Because of Depression (more like stupidity) I suppose at the time.

Why PH? There is not reason at the moment, but I would like to buy a cycle for the future when I decide I would like to give it a go, as stocks shall soon and eventually be depleted. And even if I decide to not bother with it, its not like I couldn't sell it on.

Luke9583

If you are prone to depression and haven't run m1t in the past, DO NOT USE IT.

Let me tell you from personal expirience. Within the first couple days you'll convince yourself that your freinds don't give a shit about you and it just gets worse and worse from there.


And if you had somebody standing next to you before the first time you saw it saying "don't do it, why bother"?

Don't do it! Why bother.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

silencer

hehe ok fair enough I got the picture.

topolo

you do realize that these are illegal substances.......right?

Stu

not in the uk

silencer

I am in the UK.

Tha Don

well i can't comment on m1t, but i got some real harsh depression at the start of my 1-ad cycle before the 4derm kicked in, trust me it wasn't nice at all, i do suffer from depression a bit when life fucks me over every now and again, if my depression from the 1-ad was bad i hate to think what depression from m1t would be like!

i'd take Lukes advice man, he knows what hes talking about

you should also know never to run m1t for a 1st cycle... its an anabolic steroid and has very harsh side effects (even compared to most other AS)

peace

Luke9583

It hits you hard and fast!

But you've got a beautiful girlfreind to keep your spirits lifted, you lucky bastard

"If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

simbh

Why do m1t as a first cycle , that is my question. If you really want to do a first cycle , do a 1-ad cycle . I'm currently on it and I've gained about 10 pounds in 14 days.

When a goal is reached comes satisfaction . You're accomplished as a person when you surpass those goals .

silencer

Like I said originally, I had no idea...what was good to start with or not. But I was unaware that some of the side effects can be extremely harsh.

RCfootball87

Alright in this whole thread this is about the only thing I agree with. Let the man do his thing and run his damn cycle without feeding him some shit about morality and telling him he'll get depressed. Luke, the first thing you should've told him would be about the "6-oxo ?" PCT. 6-oxo prolly won't work for M1T unless you use very high doses, and most people we'll tell you you want nolvadex on hand anyways, I won't tell you that, but I'll tell you it's more economically feasible to use nolva. Start off at 10 mg a day and then try 15mg or 20 mg if you want too, depending on how you respond. I never noticed any "depression" from M1T and I'm pretty fucked up in the head, I think the whole depression thing is a way for people to get attention. I used to be "depressed" myself, bunch of bullshit for 90% of people that say they have it. Get your diet and training straight, and when you plateua, run your cycle, and have a good time. You're not going to get "depressed" and your not going to go to hell for it either. What the hell is wrong with this thread?

back for the first time....

musclepump

I used M1T for my first cycle ever and it was damn good. Didn't need to start with 1-AD. I used M1T alone, Nolva for PCT, and had great gains.

Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

Tha Don

shit man your doing a lot better than me, i've still only gained about 5lbs and i'd put almoast all of that down to water and placebo effect

so far i'm not that impressed with it

simbh

Hmm , thats kinda weird. But maybe I'm just having a better affect than most people. I wouldn't worry much about it young d , since from the feedback I've seen , the best results are seen starting 3rd week. So I would just go on , and I'm sure you'll see results . But how much are you eating each day ? are you eating clean , drinking enough water etc . Cuz I'm eating very clean and keeping my calories 3500+ . Yesterday i didn't each as much as I would of wanted to , and I think I ate about 3500 cals.

As for the guy who started this thread . You really should look into nolva for pct , especially if youre doing m1t . Gyno is rare when you do m1t but if it shows up , you are kinda screwed if you only have 6-oxo on hand ...

When a goal is reached comes satisfaction . You're accomplished as a person when you surpass those goals .

silencer

Well after this thread if I did PH's I would only do 1AD and a 6week cycle...with 6-OXO for pct. But the whole notion is still swirling around my head...Im far from needing to do it, my natural gains are pretty great, I just want to buy something for the future. But by then they might have something even better ? ..but I don't want to take the chance.

Reignman35

Well said. I know some people have morality/safety issues with all the shit that we have (or had) to use at our disposal, but there seems like much better places to preach that message. It's a risk, but so is everything in life. If you plateau and want to try it, do it. Just educate yourself and be safe. I still find it funny and maddeningly hypocritical that those that I run into that think steroids and their likenesses are some big evil, but they smoke pot, snort coke or drink themselves silly 6 nights out of the week and that is totally justifiable... I sometimes don't even want to tell my close friends what I am doing for fear of being labeled weird, or low self esteem cause I want to push the limit and see if I can have the body I have always wanted. Oh well, such is life... the soapbox will now be put away...

Failure is NOT an option...