njc

1 question. How much different is 5 pounds of muscle gained via placebo effect as apposed to 5 via actuall working supplement. None. If people are getting results from a product that science suddenly deams ineffective, the placebo effect goes down the drain. Ill buy the supplement, if i gain muscle on it I could give two shits about whether it comes via placebo or working supplement. Hell afterall if im getting effects from a placebo effect, does not this innefective supplement in essence become a working one?

"Never take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up"

PreMier

When did you start working out/how long? Was it right when you started to take said supplement?

Placebo is possible in MANY studies, the mind is a powerful thing.

P-side Inc.

"the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

njc

I know. What r u talkin about? Thats what im saying. I was saying i dont care if im getting results from my mind or the supplement itself. Im getting the results all the same. And if such said results were stimulated by my brain then ultimately it was provided by the supplement becuase the usage of the supplement is what cuases my mind to believe.

"Never take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up"

PreMier

Im asking if your new to working out. Have you been lifting long? And how long compared to that have you been using this supp?

P-side Inc.

"the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

Flex

if you gain 5lbs of muscle while taking a real supplement, it IS different than if you gain 5lbs of muscle b/c of a placebo.

In other words, say i take what i believe is dbol.
NOw if it IS dbol, i gain 5lbs.
If its NOT dbol, just aspirin, and i gain 5lbs, it has NOTHING to do with a placebo effect and me thinking i'm taking dbol.

You're a funny guy, Sully, I like you. Dat's why I'm going to kill you lahst.


* Got juice?*Need Motivation?*How to Train*
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PreMier

Exactly Flex. I want to know if he is a 'newbie', because of how easy it is for them to gain LBM. Also if he was using the supp, since the begining, then his thinking that its working is flawed..

P-side Inc.

"the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

njc

no man. The structure of the muscle is gained is no different. All im saying is who gives a shit if its the supplement working or the mind working. 5 pounds of muscle is 5 pounds of muscle. I see what youre saying though, but i think that the mind is powerful enough to do such things. No doubt about it.

"Never take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up"

njc

im not talking of any supplement. Just speaking generally of the placebo effect.

"Never take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up"

gococksDJS

Dude if you don't give a fuck about placebo effect then PM me. I have a revolutionary supplement here that will put on 10 lbs. of LBM in only 2 months and only costs $300 a month. I was going to name it Fizogen, but that name's already taken...

Flex

what the fuck are you talking about?

Alls i'm saying is..........

If i take 50mg of dbol for 10 days, i'll put on 5lbs, due to the dbol.

If i take 50mg of what i think is dbol, but is actually not, and for some ungodly reason i put on 5lb, it has NOTHING to do with the fact that my mind thought it was dbol.

You're a funny guy, Sully, I like you. Dat's why I'm going to kill you lahst.


* Got juice?*Need Motivation?*How to Train*
*Arnold vs. Ronnie vs. Haney vs. Sergio*
*YEAH BUDDY...LIGHT WEIGHT!*Ahhnold*

Flex

well, why don't you pretent those Flintstone vitamins you're taking are not Flintstone vitamins, but in fact Fred is actually anadrol, Barnie is dbol and Wilma is Winny.

see how much your placebo effect works.

You're a funny guy, Sully, I like you. Dat's why I'm going to kill you lahst.


* Got juice?*Need Motivation?*How to Train*
*Arnold vs. Ronnie vs. Haney vs. Sergio*
*YEAH BUDDY...LIGHT WEIGHT!*Ahhnold*

njc

u gotta be kiddin me. Well becuase obviously I would know beforehand that they werent. Placebo effect involves a little something called actually believing in what your taking. Was that a serious post?

"Never take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up"

gococksDJS

Only if it is a blind placebo study. You can still experience placebo effect from knowingly taking a placebo.

njc

Theyve done studies taking 2 groups, had them perform before and after tests of strength, gave one group nothing, one group a pill and told them the pill was worthless, and the group taking the pill they were told was worthless gained more strength then the group not taking anything?

"Never take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up"

Stu

why would they take a pill after being told its worthless?

The placebo effect does not cause your to build muscle. It might make you FEEL stronger but it doesnt mean you are stronger. you are confusing this with mind over matter.

Tha Don

LMAO!

Tha Don

man wtf are you talkin bout?



you understand that? you can't just imagine that a vitamin pill is gonna pack 5lbs on you in one week and then acutally pack on 5lbs due to your mind concieving it! if you put on 5lbs it wouldn't be the fact that you thought you were taking the product it would be down to other changes such as diet... training... etc

but think what you wanna think man, maybe you should send goldcocks a PM and order some of his supplement, might work for you

Tha Don

infact i'm selling the same patented formula for only $200 a month! and i gurantee that you'll not only add 20lbs you'll also drop at least 5% bodyfat! how bout that?

BigDyl

I don't think adding muscle would have anything to do with you thinking you were on dbol. I think its possible you would be alot more confident during your lifts leading to increased strength and hence hypertrophic response...etc..

Total ownage.

njc

once again for the 10th time, becuase i would know its worthless becuase u just told me it was. Ask a scientist about the placebo effect. People psych themselves up for lifts and break their own records all the time. An added placebo effect could do the same thing in making that person bekieve that they are that much stronger. U should all be aware of how powerful your mental state and confidence effect your lifts. Some of the greatest bodybuilders of all time have perpetuated the mental aspect of bodybuilding and some even call it half of bodybuilding. Even the ones who dont call it half acknowledge is existence and surely you are all equally aware of its potency. The placebo effect exists. Thats not even debatable.

"Never take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up"

Curlingcadys

hold on one sec.....I'm thinking of reaching through my computer and slapping ya......hold on its comming.......

njc

wtf am i talking about? Look at my post u qouted, i was asking a question of the person who posted before me. Dont qoute my post and respond to it when you dont even know whats going on. I know it wouldnt work with a vitamin becuase i know that a vitamin doesnt pack on 5 lbs of muscle. Your examples are laughable at best.

"Never take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up"

Curlingcadys

Pylon

"The test of courage comes when we are in the minority. The test of tolerance comes when we are in the majority." - R. W. Sockman

gococksDJS

I think starting a placebo effect thread has the mental placebo effect of elevated IQ.

njc

Id love to sit down with you and take an IQ test. I know what mine is. You act like no ones ever talked about the placebo effect before. But please continue to be an asshole, it provides amusement to an otherwise dull night.

"Never take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up"

gococksDJS

I was joking bro, simmer down. A little sarcasm now and then doesn't hurt. You obviously feel compelled to prove yourself on this board, but do you think anyone on here buys the shit that others spit out? There will be people on here you will take seriously, but alot of people are full of shit, and posts about your incredibly high IQ will quickly be ignored, so spare us the bragging bullshit and actually contribute to the board.

thatguy

njc

Point to the part of my post where i said to have an incredibly high IQ. contribute to the board? Like youve done in your past couple posts? Iwas making an attempt to contribute by talking of something i felt to be legit. It was you that stumbled on here talking nothing. You should understand a situation before you ignorantly analyze it.

"Never take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up"

thatguy

Wow. I haven't been on this board long (almost two months), but I've been here long enough to take offense to someone trying to negate GC's contribution to the board...