dmkellett

Hey, i have been taking "normal" supplements (Whey/Creatine/EFA's/etc..) for a couple of years and about a year ago read about PH's. I never got round to buying any though. When i heard they were going to be banned i decided it was now or never so i bought 15 bottles of IDS M1T, as someone advised me that would last me a couple of years at least... So I have decided to try these PH's finally. I really dont know too much about the do's and dont's but think i'm going to err on the side of caution. I have been told so many different things i dont know what to believe!!

My question is .... should i just take 2 capsules a day for four weeks and then four weeks off, then repeat or is there anything else i should take during the oncycle or after during the off cycle? some people have said i'll get bitch tits and others have said it's impossible with 1MT......

Ireally want to have some understanding of what i'm about to do as i dont want boobs!!

Cheers!!!!
Darren

redspy

dmkellett

Cheers, I have already read that article but am not too informed about all these products. What is Nolvadex? is it the same sort of thing as 6-OXO ( an anti estrogen)??? what is 4-derm??
Sorry if i seem very ill informed, i have been training for a few years naturally and havent too much knowledge on PH's!
Darren

Stu

Nolva is very different to 6-oxo. 6-oxo is a suicide inhibtor of aromatase where as novla is a competative estrogen inhibitor. 6oxo prevents the conversion of testosterone to estrogen where as nolva binds to the estrogen receptors and combats the side effects of estrogen.

4-derm is a transdermal version of the prohormone known as 4-ad. it converts to testosterone in the liver. 4-derm is used to combat the side effect of M1t which heavily shuts down your bodys production of natural testoterone.

I would not start with an m1t cycle i would probably go for a 1-ad 4-ad stack or 1-test and 4-ad

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MTN WARRIOR

Re read that sticky. It tells you everything you need basically. No, do not do back to back cycles. You have enough M1T for about 4 years. That stuff is too harsh to do more than 3-4 cycles per YEAR

THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL ME, CERTAINLY MUST MAKE ME STRONGER

gococksDJS

Well for starters you shouldn't start a cycle yet because you need to educate yourself a lot more. M1T is not a pro-hormone, it is an anabolic steroid. Yes cycles should not last any longer than 4 weeks, but 4 weeks on 4 weeks off repeat is a terrible plan. M1T is very hard on your body. Ive read posts where the max reccomended number of cycles a year is 3 because of how harsh it is, not to mention how hard and fast it shuts you down. 6-oxo is a terrible PCT for M1T, you will need nolvadex, and get it before you start, because it may be extremely rare, but if you see gyno symptoms you will need the nolva. 4-AD will give you a much needed energy boost because you could experience some lethargy as well as a libido boost because you get shut down hard, and oral 4-AD is shit, you need 4-Derm, which is transdermal, basically any transdermal form of 4-AD. You will be able to gauge what dose you should take by your body, but start with 5-10mg's/ED. I went as high as 20mg's but the lethargy was to much so I cut it back. This stuff is very serious and potentially very dangerous, so do yourself a favor and delay the cycle until you know all about PCT, side effects, warning signs and what to do when sides appear etc etc, because it's not a case of if sides appear with M1T, its a case of when. You are basically guaranteed to see mild temporary sides, but knowing how to counter them and fix them is very important. Read up.

Revolution Max

Bro its very easy, follow the link he gave you, that all seems to be in check. Nolvadex is used for pct, it also is used if you are on cycle and you start to see any symptoms of gyno, in this case you would take Nolva pronto. For pct i suggest 40 40 20 20

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dmkellett

Thanks for all the advice guys i'm going to delay for a while and read lots more......
Darren

Luke9583

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musclepump

I wouldn't say don't use M1T for a first cycle, but I'd get some 4-AD before starting.

Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

Luke9583

I ran a cycle of 1-ad/4ad (MAG10) as a first cycle.

Waste of time if you ask me . You'll add water and alittle strength gain. m1-t isn't as "fun" as running the 1-ad/4ad cocktail, but if you've got your diet square and you're lifting is routine, why waste your time .

Run a low dose cycle if you must.

But I still say, don't use any hormones

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

musclepump

This from a guy who has run a couple of different cycles, and is currently on, aren't you?

Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

Luke9583

I'm on a cycle. My last one too!

I figured I'd have more credibility if I ever wanted to advise not to cycle hormones to somebody

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

musclepump

Do you have any actual REASON for not doing anymore cycles, or just because... you're bored of them now?

Let's all join together and SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA.

Curlingcadys

didn't you, for a lack of better terms, "crash and burn" on a m1t cycle not to long ago too?

dmkellett

hey guys ive been searching the web and even been down to one of the best supplement outlets in the UK and nowhere can i find any transdermal 4-ad for sale.... was this stuff banned too?? i just dont know where to start to get hold of any of this shit.

Darren

SJ69

I did m-1-t for my first cycle, why waste your time and money on inferior products. I'd go with the m-1-t 20mg ed 3-4 weeks, nolvadex PCT 3 weeks, 4-ad if you got it, if not skip it and buy some ephedrine for energy. Try to get at least 300 g of protein in per day and lift hard, you'll see results.

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jdubauu

so if i start m1t and 1-ad for a first cycle your saying it is good??
the store i got them from said start so and so for the first five days then add the other, any idea one which one i would start taked for the first five days?

jdubauu

lemme know tho my inbox thanks