Sport + 1-AD & 4-Derm

**musclepump** · 02-12-2005, 09:03 PM

I had asked before about taking M1T while swimming competitively or doing track, and it came out to be a bad idea because M1T causes sides that involve cramping. Now, what about 1-AD & 4-Derm stack for swimming? Thoughts, comments, suggestions?

**Cold Iron** · 02-12-2005, 09:17 PM

Doing a cycle will not help you become a better swimmer, it will most likely be detrimental.

**musclepump** · 02-12-2005, 09:53 PM

Yeah I'm trying to find out if there would be strength increases to aid training or, if it would be detrimental, what about it would be in the negative?

**gococksDJS** · 02-12-2005, 09:56 PM

You don't need 4-AD with 1-AD IMO. Save the 4AD for a stronger cycle like M1T

**musclepump** · 02-13-2005, 11:05 AM

Well even if I were to take 1-AD, any benefits to aquatic athletics? Or, any detriments?

**thatguy** · 02-13-2005, 11:24 AM

Increased water retention would be detrimental to buoyancy, right? So you might not "glide" quite as well on a 1-AD/4-AD stack.

Weight gain will probably equal slower times.

Strength gain may help some, but probably not enought to outweigh the cons.

Also, you'll probably get quite a shoulder pump! Maybe that'll be bad for your range of motion. Who knows - I'm not a swimmer.

**TopProducer** · 02-13-2005, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by musclepump

Well even if I were to take 1-AD, any benefits to aquatic athletics? Or, any detriments?

I can't possibly see any benefits for aquatic athletics.

**Tha Don** · 02-14-2005, 09:57 AM

no its a bad idea IMO, you'd just end up getting musclebound and swimming performance would deteriorate

**Tha Don** · 02-14-2005, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

You don't need 4-AD with 1-AD IMO. Save the 4AD for a stronger cycle like M1T

let me correct you 1 more time goldcocks... you DO NEED 4-AD with 1-AD! (unless you have no job, no sex life and enjoy heavy lethargy, depression and limp dick)

i will never run another cycle w/out test. JMO

**musclepump** · 02-14-2005, 10:44 AM

Well, I've got Test E, but I'm not sure that would increase aquatic performance, either.

**gococksDJS** · 02-14-2005, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by young d

let me correct you 1 more time goldcocks... you DO NEED 4-AD with 1-AD! (unless you have no job, no sex life and enjoy heavy lethargy, depression and limp dick)

i will never run another cycle w/out test. JMO

I never experienced any of these on 1-AD so for me I don't need it. I would expece these sides with something like M1T but not with 1-AD. So no you do not need it, you can have it if you wish but its not nearly as bad as running M1T w/o 4-AD.

**simbh** · 02-14-2005, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by young d

let me correct you 1 more time goldcocks... you DO NEED 4-AD with 1-AD! (unless you have no job, no sex life and enjoy heavy lethargy, depression and limp dick)

i will never run another cycle w/out test. JMO

Meh 1-ad alone isn't that bad , as long as you don't take extreme doses ... I'm at 300mg/day and sure I'm a bit tired , but I aint depresses and the dick is there when I need it .

**musclepump** · 02-14-2005, 01:54 PM

I've heard before that track athletes, swimmers and guys who do the bobsled, skeleton, etc... have tested positive for Test. Obviously, or at least I would assume, this is an injectable form they're using. What are the benefits of using that, compared to an M1T/1-AD?

**gococksDJS** · 02-14-2005, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

I've heard before that track athletes, swimmers and guys who do the bobsled, skeleton, etc... have tested positive for Test. Obviously, or at least I would assume, this is an injectable form they're using. What are the benefits of using that, compared to an M1T/1-AD?

M1T is much harder on your liver, and you can run injectible test, like test cyp, for much longer periods without the harsh sides like lethargy, and the gains are much greater as long as you run the cycle properly and proper PCT.

**Tha Don** · 02-14-2005, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by simbh

Meh 1-ad alone isn't that bad , as long as you don't take extreme doses ... I'm at 300mg/day and sure I'm a bit tired , but I aint depresses and the dick is there when I need it .

well thats good for you but for me the 1-ad sides are pretty harsh (lehtargy and depression is a killer!), and i really can't be dealing with all that bullshit, i need test in my system! plus i have a girl to think about, if i can't bring it hard all night long she ain't gonna be happy!

**snoops** · 02-14-2005, 06:54 PM

M-1t can raise your blood pressure which could make track or swimming dangerous.

**gococksDJS** · 02-14-2005, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by snoops

M-1t can raise your blood pressure which could make track or swimming dangerous.

So if your not a swimmer it's ok to have high blood pressure?

**snoops** · 02-14-2005, 08:52 PM

yeah only swimmers have to worry about that

**gococksDJS** · 02-14-2005, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by snoops

yeah only swimmers have to worry about that

I was joking...

**musclepump** · 02-14-2005, 10:18 PM

I think he knew that

**daniel27** · 03-01-2010, 04:30 PM

hey yo im just getting back to serious lifting and everything supps in particular have changed so i went underground i am about to start a ten wk cycle of 500mg sust and close out w 30 mg oral of winstrall for last 3 weeks w clomid and 60x0 as pct im 5ft 9 180 lean any pointers ive only had winny depot before and i ran it w dbol and t4 i wanna remain lean w little sides whats a good rule of thumb for diet?
any help is appreciated

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