Thread: What's causing my wild mood swings??

Taking ZMA would give me mood swings b/c its worthless unless your having sleeping trouble

I do have trouble sleeping, which is why I take it. ZMA gave you mood swings?

supplement companies must love you!

120mg of nolva ED along with 6-oxo is complete over kill

whats the deal with so many supplements you could probably ditch about %60 of them and feel no noticable difference

Damn dude, that's a lot of supps.

Speaking for myself, anything speed-like (caffeine, L-tyrosine, that Hot Plants thingy you're taking, etc.) can cause borderline panic attacks in high enough doses.

I'd cut all that out for the time being and see what gives.

In the meantime, you're in PCT which means - who the hell knows what's going on with you hormonally. Nolvadex, esp. at the dosage you're taking, is more than sufficient for your recovery as far as I have read. Personally I'd cut the 60X0.

Re: Nolva - How long are you planning to run it that high, and what's your plan for tapering down?

If you're not seeing a difference (or even if you do) cut:

ZMA
Citrulline Malate
Arginine-Alpha Ketoglutarate
DiArginine Malate

Well, if I had to take all that shit every day I'd be in a mood too.

But seriously it's probably the PCT blues combined with you your massive dose of Nolva.

120mg Nolva E/D??????

What the fuck is the reasoning behind that one?

Originally Posted by mozrx

I need your help, folks. Please take a look at this list and help me determine what is causing me to have wild mood swings and bad depression. My doc wants me to stop all supplements - even protien - and never take them again. But if I can isolate what is causing this, that would be ideal. Is it just a case of Post-Cycle depression? Is my Nolva dose too high? Nix the 6-oxo?? Is it the e-Creatine?? Please help!

I'm in post-cycle from a 2 week m1T/4-AD/MDHT cycle. I had symptons of gyno appear and began taking high doses Nolva.

I take Effexor 37.5 mg ED and 12.5 MG Trazedone ED.

For post-cycle I'm taking:

Nolvadex liquid 120mg ED
6-OXO 5 caps a night
TribuPlex 750 3 caps a day
HOT PLANTS (for sex drive which contains Maca, Yohimbe, Rhodiola, Horny Goat Weed, Ginseng, Tongkat Ali)

I also take:

4000 MG L-Tyrosine ED
Estrified Creatine from 1Fast
Glutamine
600 MG Alpha Lipoic Acid before each meal
CLA
Flax Oil
Milk Thistle
ZMA
Citrulline Malate
Arginine-Alpha Ketoglutarate
DiArginine Malate
Caffiene 200mg

Which ones are the likey to cause bad depression and mood swings? Thanks.

are you serious? who the hell knows! you're taking so many different supps it could any one of them, or combination, there is no way anyone could isolate what is causing your mood swings.

Its gotta be either the flax oil or Milk Thistle.

are you a part time lab rat?

Originally Posted by redspy

Well, if I had to take all that shit every day I'd be in a mood too.

But seriously it's probably the PCT blues combined with you your massive dose of Nolva.

i'd agree, its most likely to be post cycle depression if you just noticing it after your m1t cycle

Originally Posted by du510

Its gotta be either the flax oil or Milk Thistle.

whats your logic?

Originally Posted by young d

whats your logic?

Bein a wise-ass.

Originally Posted by du510

Bein a wise-ass.

Typical du... jackass.

A lot of people suffer depression post-cycle, bo biggie

OK! That's a pretty broad grocery list you got there....

Here's where I would start.

DROP Everything but:
Flax Oil
Milk Thistle
Nolvadex liquid 120mg ED
Estrified Creatine from 1Fast

Yes, drop the "Hot Plants" (whatever the fuck that shit is). If you're worried about Labido then get some Anabolic Matrix RX.

Try life with a little less supplementation and see how your sleep patterns settle. If you still suffer restlessness at night consider some Valerian Root and/or Melatonin to help sleep.

Now if I had to guess, I'd say your mood swings are probably a direct correlation between your sleep disorder and all the herbs you take to spike your sex drive. Not to mention you are overloaded on PCT (Nolva AND 6OXO is a bit overkill).

Bottom Line, To "isolate" the culprit supp could be anyone's guess. The best approach is to drop all that crap (other than your essential PCT Supps) and see what happens.

Oh, and on a parting comment, I didn't see any sort of Multi-Vitamin listed in that massive list of supps. Are you taking any?

If I was taking all that shit I'd be twiggin like a crack head.

Seriously, like the others said... cut back on your stuff, your body shouldnt have to handle all that shit at once.

Out of curiosity, what did your m1T/4-AD/MDHT cycle look like? Did you test it in low doses to see how your body would react?

Oh, and while I'm not sure if I would personally stop taking all supplements forever (I only take protein and a multi though), I'd certainly be more careful with your liver. After the M1T, creatine, lotsa protein, etc its got to be hurting.

Originally Posted by Eggs

Oh, and while I'm not sure if I would personally stop taking all supplements forever (I only take protein and a multi though), I'd certainly be more careful with your liver. After the M1T, creatine, lotsa protein, etc its got to be hurting.

Creatine and alot of protein effect your liver negatively and are in the same league as that of a PH/PS?

Holy mackeral. You take as much as I keep onhand. I might take that many too but I doubt I would remember to take it each day.

My vote goes to typical post cycle depression and mood swings. Unless you are horribly bad off, I would wait it out, drop down to a sane dose of nolva and see how things go.

Most of the stuff you listed I am familiar with and feel will have little to no effect whatsoever on your mood in comparison to going through pct. The Rx meds I am not so familiar with.

Your list isn't actually all that long. Post it over at supplement central (avant labs) and it would look quite normal.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Creatine and alot of protein effect your liver negatively and are in the same league as that of a PH/PS?

No not at all

Originally Posted by stu21Ldn

No not at all

Nope, of course not

http://www.qfac.com/whey_protein_2.html

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/...urnalcode=nejm

Anyhow, the jury is still out... but its funny that people think that they just put stuff in their bodies and it just goes into them. Somethings got to process it right? The creatine and whey by themselves were not a biggie... but I imagine that the guy was taking a heavy dose of M1T which has a heavy hit on the liver.

Originally Posted by Eggs

Nope, of course not

http://www.qfac.com/whey_protein_2.html

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/...urnalcode=nejm

Anyhow, the jury is still out... but its funny that people think that they just put stuff in their bodies and it just goes into them. Somethings got to process it right? The creatine and whey by themselves were not a biggie... but I imagine that the guy was taking a heavy dose of M1T which has a heavy hit on the liver.

i was saying they're not in the same league as ph/ps for liver damage

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

are you serious? who the hell knows! you're taking so many different supps it could any one of them, or combination, there is no way anyone could isolate what is causing your mood swings.

True. But If I had to make a guess, the anti-depressants and hormones probably don't mix too well. Definatley stop the M1T/4/ad/MDHT.

Originally Posted by dg806

True. But If I had to make a guess, the anti-depressants and hormones probably don't mix too well. Definatley stop the M1T/4/ad/MDHT.

BINGO ! kind of a no-brainer don't ya think ?

Originally Posted by Curlingcadys

are you a part time lab rat?

I read somewhere that David Boston takes about 90 pills a day. Anyone else heard that?

Originally Posted by westb51

I read somewhere that David Boston takes about 90 pills a day. Anyone else heard that?

I'm pretty sure Kieth Richards beat that but he was doing injections as well.

Thats not that big of a list, compared with what gus at my gym take ...

The nolva dose is too high, lower that to 60mg or you can have a estrogen comeback and that could be worse for the gyno. Stop taking 6-OXO if you are on Nolva there is no need, keep it for your next cycle and take it on-cycle at low dosis.

The mood swings are sometimes related to low B-Vitamin levels, sometimes from high concentration of toxins in liver and intestines.. i recommend that you take a B-100 complex with Inositol and Choline (most times they are allready included in the complex) Hormonal changes can cause mood swings too and can be a side of your cycle.

I didn't catch the antidepressants my first read through. Seriously, that HOT PLANTS crap has GOT to have an MAOI or three in there which will react severely with your antidepressants.

If you're married to your supps, do yourself a favor and cut that one at the very least. That will make you mental quicker than when your girlfriend asks, "What are you thinking?".

And cut your Nolva dosage.

And the 60X0.