Thread: "Screwin' up your endocrine system....."

You dont listen anyway, so why are you asking?

Don't worry about it dude. If you're going to get fucked up, you should be jolly good by this point after what you've done. Just keep popping shit and see what happens first hand.

At your age, getting it up while on cycle is the last of your worries. Read up on testicular atrophy, sterility and hepatotoxicity. Why do all you younger guys think were full of shit rather than trying to help you? Some of us are responsible users who know what we are saying and constantly get blown off when we give someone advice just because its not what they want to hear, well don't ask if you don't want to hear the truth.

Hows your diet? You run PH's, yet you can only max out on bench at 185? You clearly have MASSIVE room to grow naturally. I've been doing shitty workouts (It's amazing I made progress, looking back.) for 3 years and intelligent training for 1.

I'm 1 year older, 10 lbs lighter, same height, and can bench 90 lbs more. I do not have great genes (Far from it). How much progress have you made since you started using PH's? I'm not trying to put you down, just trying to show you that you can make some drastic gains without hormone assistance (at least strength wise).

Funnily enough there arent many sicentific studies on the effect of steroids in teens, maybe scientists are reluctant to use humans as ginnea pigs which is essientially what you become when you take steroids at a young age. Since little scientific research exists i will attempt to address the using common sense and basic biology.

In your teens your hormone levels are not nearly as stable as those of an adult male, acne, depression and pubescant gyno are indicators of this. It does not take a genius to understand that steroids could exascerbate this instabiltiy. An unbalance of hormones has many negatives including gyno, lethargy and depression. Severe depression is well documented in teen steroid users (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6700913/site/newsweek/).

Under-developement in teens is not just physical its also mental, until you've used a substance you don't know how your body is goin to react to it. If your cycle goes well then great but if things start to go wrong then you have to deal with it. Most hormones are regulated by negative feedback loops, unlike some drugs where cessation will end the negative sides, cessation of a cycle is not usually enough to end the negatives. It often requires positive action on the part of the user to bring the body back to normal. Personally in my teens i was not nearly as mentally equiped to deal with problems as i am now.

When you consider that levels of total testosterone in males aged 17-18 is 300-1200 ng/dl compared with 300-950 ng/dl for males aged 19-40 is it really worth turning to hormones when you already have the edge on most of us.

At the end of the day the decision is up to you. Personally the potiential negatives versus the potiential positives wouldn't warrant the risk.

Just my 2pence

Originally Posted by stu21Ldn

Funnily enough there arent many sicentific studies on the effect of steroids in teens, maybe scientists are reluctant to use humans as ginnea pigs which is essientially what you become when you take steroids at a young age. Since little scientific research exists i will attempt to address the using common sense and basic biology.

In your teens your hormone levels are not nearly as stable as those of an adult male, acne, depression and pubescant gyno are indicators of this. It does not take a genius to understand that steroids could exascerbate this instabiltiy. An unbalance of hormones has many negatives including gyno, lethargy and depression. Severe depression is well documented in teen steroid users (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6700913/site/newsweek/).

Under-developement in teens is not just physical its also mental, until you've used a substance you don't know how your body is goin to react to it. If your cycle goes well then great but if things start to go wrong then you have to deal with it. Most hormones are regulated by negative feedback loops, unlike some drugs where cessation will end the negative sides, cessation of a cycle is not usually enough to end the negatives. It often requires positive action on the part of the user to bring the body back to normal. Personally in my teens i was not nearly as mentally equiped to deal with problems as i am now.

When you consider that levels of total testosterone in males aged 17-18 is 300-1200 ng/dl compared with 300-950 ng/dl for males aged 19-40 is it really worth turning to hormones when you already have the edge on most of us.

At the end of the day the decision is up to you. Personally the potiential negatives versus the potiential positives wouldn't warrant the risk.

Just my 2pence

Thank you, that's what I wanted to hear. I'm seriously considering just finishing off the 19-nor and 4-ad cycle, and never running the M1T. At least saving it for a later time. M1T is some major shit compared to those minor pro-hormones.

I like you brogers. I have been lifting weights on and off for the past year at my high school weight room with limited equipment and I have moved up around 70 pounds on bench in the last year and I've only worked out heavily about 5-6 months of that year. I only took a whey protein supp. I now bench 200+. Didn't start squatin til this year(what a mistake that was) and maxed at 245. And with the sets and reps I'm up to I can do a lot more now. Incline is only a little lower than bench. 10-15 pounds. My football team went to state this year but we lost. I've been gettin my ass in the weightroom every weekday and saturday and it's paying off. I just heard from my coach that I got a chance to start on var and thats giving me even more drive. You don't need to use heavy supps. Just use your own mind to push that one more rep out.

Im glad to hear your not going to go on to the M1T. Your only 17 wait till your around 24 before you start using the stronger stuff tbh.

At around 24 you will start to fill out naturally and then the supplements will help as apposed to suppressing your natural growth.

Although alot of people on here exagerrate about products and there side effects there is some truth behind their speculation. I have used M1T and it doesnt even come close to real anabolic steroids. The only sides I had was ball shrinkage and more aggression. I would recommend M1T if your old enough as it does help a lot with training but its not a wonder drug and as long as you dont abuse it, it is a safe product for the majority of people. Good PCT is always a must regardless of the drug ur using, always remember that. Nolvadex and 6oxo are very good.

Im still waiting for a supplement that is as good as sustanon