cee in cutting

**machinehead** · 02-21-2005, 12:37 PM

hello,

in about 2 months i'm going to cutting, want to loose about 8% BF (now i'm stanting on 16%)
it's fine to take cee for strength and to save the muscle mass in the training?

thanks

**Stu** · 02-21-2005, 12:39 PM

yes

**Luke8395** · 02-21-2005, 01:30 PM

I recommend that you get dunked in a tank if you do. I'm sure the added water might make it even more difficult to get a good reading.

I don't see how it can help you retain muscle when calorically deficient though

(or strength)

The only benifit would be the motivation from having a good pump. If you ask me, I would rather invest in some good new music. I think the CEE on a cut is a waste

**brogers** · 02-21-2005, 01:47 PM

CEE lets you lift a bit heavier (at least it does for me), so maybe that extra bit of overload will help you retain as much muscle as possible. Just IMO

**Tha Don** · 02-21-2005, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by brogers

CEE lets you lift a bit heavier (at least it does for me), so maybe that extra bit of overload will help you retain as much muscle as possible. Just IMO

why? your not gonna add muscle while cutting so IMO creatine while cutting is pointless, you retain muscle from keeping the protein intake elevated not from lifting heavier weights, as long as your lifts don't drop which they shouldn't do your workouts will be sufficient, if you need a boost take EC 30mins before working out

another bad thing with creatine is that it makes you hold a lot of water and gives you a puffed up/bloated appearance, and that really takes away the whole concept of cutting as its gonna make you look less cut!

so i agree with Luke, no CEE while cutting

**MorteSubite** · 02-21-2005, 06:09 PM

I didn't think that CEE makes you hold as much water compared to regular Creatine (ex monohydrate)?

I am probably wrong though

Please let me know if that's the case

**machinehead** · 02-22-2005, 04:49 AM

there is a diffrent between regular monohydrate to cee, cee dont hold water to the muscle while regular mono does.

and i want to take cee because i want some energy in the training and want to save the muscle mass.

**Stu** · 02-22-2005, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by young d

why? your not gonna add muscle while cutting so IMO creatine while cutting is pointless, you retain muscle from keeping the protein intake elevated not from lifting heavier weights, as long as your lifts don't drop which they shouldn't do your workouts will be sufficient, if you need a boost take EC 30mins before working out

another bad thing with creatine is that it makes you hold a lot of water and gives you a puffed up/bloated appearance, and that really takes away the whole concept of cutting as its gonna make you look less cut!

so i agree with Luke, no CEE while cutting

I agree about the water retention but having cut with and without creatine i much prefer with. Its hard enough maintaining strength in caloric deficit and when i come off creatine it takes at least 5lbs of most of my lifts i just end up having crap workouts

**Tha Don** · 02-22-2005, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by machinehead

there is a diffrent between regular monohydrate to cee, cee dont hold water to the muscle while regular mono does.

WRONG

the benefit of cee over regular mono is that it has a much higher rate of absorption, nothing to do with water retention! if anything cee will make you hold more water because it is a much more effective substance

and i want to take cee because i want some energy in the training and want to save the muscle mass

well get yourself some ec and bcaa's then, if you using cee while your cutting dose that mean your gonna come off when you start bulking, in which case your weights drop when you start bulking and you'll struggle to add muscle and lose strength (yep what a smart idea that is!), or you could just stay on it all year round which means your gonna have a new permenant apperance as a balloon and eventually you'll have kidney problems

personally i use creatine to bust through strength plateus when bulking and for pct.. adding and retaining muscle is all to do with diet

**SlimShady** · 02-22-2005, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by young d

or you could just stay on it all year round which means your gonna have a new permenant apperance as a balloon and eventually you'll have kidney problems

Kidney problems? Is this a fact? .. I'm not being a smartass, just seen you repeat this before and want to know more.

**Tha Don** · 02-23-2005, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by SlimShady

Kidney problems? Is this a fact? .. I'm not being a smartass, just seen you repeat this before and want to know more.

if you use it safely (drink plenty of water and cycle off now and again) i doubt you'll have anything to worry about

but i think some of these guys running high doses of creatine all year round and not drinking enough water are gonna have their insides so clogged up with creatinine (waste product of creatine) that evetually they are gonna run in to kidney problems

i read creatine could cause kidney damage a long time ago, since then i think it has been played down but as no long-term studies have been done with creatine its really hard to tell, better to be safe than sorry creatine is still a new supplement and although its harmless in the short-run in the long-run it could prove to be different, no one knows for sure yet, i certainly don't think running it all year round and becoming dependant on it is the way to go (if you come off creatine and drop 5lbs on all lifts technically you haven't 'lost' any strength, your just missing out on the 'extra' strength from the creatine) learn to lift without it unless you plan to run it forever which is foolish IMO

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