Thread: Quote from supp company.........

I've seen articles for Tribulus in magazines that swear it yields the same effects as juice. What people need to remember is that nutritional supplements are not regulated. The exploitation of this fact guarantees that supplements will soon be regulated (likely by the FDA).

We are loosing our freedom little by little .. until what? ... you need a license to go to a gym. WTF is the problem with the government if they regulate everything then there is no democracy but very close to communism. The FDA is killing us with their REGULATED drugs ... people are dying damn it ... but still they seek more control upon the "natural remedies" or even vitamins ... so that they can give us a better medicine $$$ ...

I said this before, if it works, it's illegal.
Where does this leave the supp co's?

Originally Posted by SJ69

I said this before, if it works, it's illegal.
Where does this leave the supp co's?

Define 'works'. There are several products out there that IMHO are worth the price.

Originally Posted by SJ69

I said this before, if it works, it's illegal.
Where does this leave the supp co's?

Up shit creek. You are right on the money.. and next the gov't will crack down on the supp companies because the stuff they make doesn't perform as advertised... this coming after the government forbids them to make anything that does work.

Originally Posted by SJ69

I said this before, if it works, it's illegal.
Where does this leave the supp co's?

this is a dumb statement. Many legal things work, like eating a proper diet or proper training technique. Many legal supplements are also good.

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

this is a dumb statement. Many legal things work, like eating a proper diet or proper training technique. Many legal supplements are also good.

Cocks, I gotta disagree with ya. The thread is about androgenic effects, not supps in general, training or diet.

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

this is a dumb statement. Many legal things work, like eating a proper diet or proper training technique. Many legal supplements are also good.

It ain't that dumb of a statement, name one thing that works (ie builds muscle and strength) as much as m-1-t.
You can't do it.
I've been there and done that. I remember the 80's and NOTHING worked it was all a rip off (remember cybergenics or something, a bunch of bottles of snake oil).
It took me a long time to allow myself to believe that the hormonl supps would work.

You are right, there is nothing near as anabolic as M1T that is legal in the U.S. There is a handful of very useful supps these days that are legal for the time being. But, if new non-hormonal supps are developed that are very effective, they will be made illegal or be by prescription only.

Working, and working as much as M1T are two vastly different things.

God, there is so much ingnorance propounded in this thread, it is scary. And it starts with the first post, DG.

Whomever made that quote, may have "some" inside knowledge, but it is clear from the statements that he does not understand the law. Not in the least.

IMO, non of the PHs/PSs sold were ever legal to sell as a supplement. They just were not scheduled/controlled substances. You could not have been arrested for them, but you could have been stamped out by the fda. The FDA just did not bother.

I am sure that the DEA, now that it has jurisdiction, will bother. Which is what your "friend" was talking about.

That said, the new law does not make "every androgenic substance" illegal. Only certain ones.

So, for example, 1, 4 diol is NOT on the schedule. Thus it is not illegal to sell -- in the sence that it is not a controlled substance. I still believe that it is not legal to sell as a supplement however, under DSHEA.

Also, your all knowing friend implies that nothing on the market works. That is dumb as well. There have been, and continue to be, companies that sell "research chemicals" or that are just willing to take the risk.

I don't care one way or another, AL doesn't sell PHs/PSs and has not since before I got involved with the company. As a supplement company, we are far better off with them not on the market.

Originally Posted by SlimShady

Cocks, I gotta disagree with ya. The thread is about androgenic effects, not supps in general, training or diet.

his statement wasn't about androgens, he simply said "if it works, it's illegal" which isn't true.

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Also, your all knowing friend implies that nothing on the market works. That is dumb as well. There have been, and continue to be, companies that sell "research chemicals" or that are just willing to take the risk.

I do not know the guy.........I found this while browsing through another website. And I'll refer research chemicals back to an earlier thread where I quoted yet another guy that said they won't be around too much longer either. The jist of the post was meant to say to anything androgenic or anabolic was illegal. True there may be a few that are still there as of now, but how long will it be before they nab them also. I don't think very long. I just saw an interview last night with John McCain. It is obvious they are making this a top priority.

And I would not give you .02 for 1,4 diol anyway.

IMHO, a supplement that 'works' is one that you purchase on more than one occassion.

Have you ever purchased a supp more than once DG?

Originally Posted by dg806

And I would not give you .02 for 1,4 diol anyway.

what about superdrol?

You got some?

Who me?

dg, when you're shooting your test you ever worry your sister's brother will come pop ya?

And creatine works, and creatine is legal. For now. Same with Multi's, CoQ10, ZMA, EPA/DHA... at least for now.

Not ZMA.

People have varied opinions on ZMA. For me, it works great. For others, they say no, and to those people it's crap because if it doesn't work for THEM, then it's junk, right?

Uh huh.

Does it work means "Does it have an androgenic effect?" That operational definition of "works" was given in the first post. Show a non anabolic that is anabolic. Come on guys lets be real here Are there other supp's that BUILD MUSCLE?? that is the question, my answer is I don't think so, not to any significant degree, maybe Rob's product?? I might give that a try before it gets banned.
Of course there's various protein powders that are a must, but not truly anabolic, they don't turn on genes to sysnthesize proteins they just provide the amino acids.

No. Lots of shit doesn't work for me, but I recognize, based on credible feedback and scientific evidence that they are valuable supps for many.

ZMA ain't one of them.

Originally Posted by SJ69

Does it work means "Does it have an androgenic effect?" That operational definition of "works" was given in the first post. Show a non anabolic that is anabolic. Come on guys lets be real here Are there other supp's that BUILD MUSCLE??

Nothing BUILDS muscle directly. It's called a 'supplement' because it has to work in conjunction with something else.

That's a proper balanced diet. Even with AAS, you won't see the benifits without a proper diet.

Quit looking for the magic pill. Work harder, quit wasting money. Put your purse down and take control of things.

Originally Posted by LW83

Nothing BUILDS muscle directly. It's called a 'supplement' because it has to work in conjunction with something else.

That's a proper balanced diet. Even with AAS, you won't see the benifits without a proper diet.

Quit looking for the magic pill. Work harder, quit wasting money. Put your purse down and take control of things.

Who said I was lookin for a magic pill?
Wouldn't mind some magic mushrooms.
Did you think I didn't know you need increased calories to gain mass?

Originally Posted by SJ69

Who said I was lookin for a magic pill?
Wouldn't mind some magic mushrooms.
Did you think I didn't know you need increased calories to gain mass?

There's alot more than just increasing calories

Originally Posted by LW83

There's alot more than just increasing calories

I know, this ain't my first rodeo

but it might be your first time being ridden bareback!

Originally Posted by topolo

but it might be your first time being ridden bareback!