Thread: What's a good PH to start with?

ph's are illegal!!!!!!

Originally Posted by topolo

ph's are illegal!!!!!!

I know.. your point?

if not a PH, than what about Anabolic-Matrix? Will I get worth while gains with it's use? I don't need more sex drive though!

Originally Posted by vegman

What do you suggest?

What are your goals? Are you concerned about androgenic side effects like hairloss?

1-AD/4-Derm stack.

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Originally Posted by redspy

What are your goals? Are you concerned about androgenic side effects like hairloss?

My goal is to gain muscle mass and lots of it. I don't know what androgenic means, and I have not heard of hair loss before, but my concern is unhealthy side effects such as liver damage, breast tissue, heavy acne, problems with natural test production afterwards, etc. By hair loss, what and where do you mean exactly? What is the difference between a steroid and a PH? I have been reading a lot on PH's and such, and I just can't come to any real conclusions about what they really do, and what they can negatively effect. All I can understand is that they will raise test levels which inturn create a more anabolic state; is this true? and what are the negative effects of raising test levels? I understand that cycling will help prevent negative effects; is this true?

thanks for any help

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Originally Posted by vegman

I know.. your point?

if not a PH, than what about Anabolic-Matrix? Will I get worth while gains with it's use? I don't need more sex drive though!

I have been taking Anabolic-Matrix and Maximum Pump and have been very happy with them so far. Nowhere near the results I had with 1-ad, but nowhere near the side effects either.

If you're looking to gain mass I'd recommend 1-AD/4-AD or 4-AD/Nordiol (both transdermal). Read the PH sticky for info on dosing and don't forget about good PCT!

Originally Posted by redspy

If you're looking to gain mass I'd recommend 1-AD/4-AD or 4-AD/Nordiol (both transdermal). Read the PH sticky for info on dosing and don't forget about good PCT!

thanks redspy

I think what I will do is wait till I stop seeing gains with what I'm doing now. Currently I am eating like a horse and training hard (but not too hard) and taking protein and creatine. When I hit a barrier, I will get into PH's, and maybe I should start with Anabolic Matrix before PH's as well. What do you guys think, is that the best way to go?

I think you should do a little more research before you begin putting prohormones and steroids into your body. Wise decision. Keep reading up, keep hitting the weights hard, get those calories up and supplement with creatine and protein.

Originally Posted by redspy

If you're looking to gain mass I'd recommend 1-AD/4-AD or 4-AD/Nordiol (both transdermal). Read the PH sticky for info on dosing and don't forget about good PCT!

Agreed. Both those are solid stacks, good beginner stacks too, introduce you to anabolics sort of speak.

The stuff is now illegal, so you are going to have to search to find it, pay much more for it than it cost a few months ago and take the chance of getting arrested for buying a product that has nowhere near the affects of real steroids. I don't see the point.....