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**kicka19** · 03-21-2005, 05:54 PM

I used to take andro poppers before every workout and know for a fact they helped me. Since the goverment has taken andro off the market there is a new forumula of andro poppers made by pinacle. They say they work better but i seriously doubt that, anyone have any experience with the new stuff?

**DDan16** · 03-21-2005, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by kicka19

I used to take andro poppers before every workout and know for a fact they helped me. Since the goverment has taken andro off the market there is a new forumula of andro poppers made by pinacle. They say they work better but i seriously doubt that, anyone have any experience with the new stuff?

i think you are reffering to 1-androstenediol, the gov't has taken these from us yes. i dont know about any new "poppers" but if you find any.. i dont suggest you just "pop" them without knowing what the hell your doing.

**kicka19** · 03-21-2005, 06:05 PM

poppers is the name brand, thats why i mentioned them, it had 4-androstendiol, Nor-4-AD and 4-AD-EC

**DDan16** · 03-21-2005, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by kicka19

poppers is the name brand, thats why i mentioned them, it had 4-androstendiol, Nor-4-AD and 4-AD-EC

ohhh now i think i know what your talking about... dont take that stuff, if what your talking about is what i think it is it can convert to estrogen as well as testosterone.

stick to 1ad/4ad

**redspy** · 03-21-2005, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by DDan16

ohhh now i think i know what your talking about... dont take that stuff, if what your talking about is what i think it is it can convert to estrogen as well as testosterone.

stick to 1ad/4ad

Minor correction:- 4-AD converts to testosterone which can in turn convert to estrogen. Aromatization can occur with many PH's or AAS.

**DDan16** · 03-21-2005, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by redspy

Minor correction:- 4-AD converts to testosterone which can in turn convert to estrogen. Aromatization can occur with many PH's or AAS.

okay, so the 4ad converts to testosterone, which can be converted to estrogen. But the 1ad, converts to 1-test. this wont convert to estrogen right?

**kicka19** · 03-21-2005, 10:38 PM

is 1-ad still on the market, i thought all prohormones were taken off, hook me up with a link if you know of it

**DDan16** · 03-21-2005, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by kicka19

is 1-ad still on the market, i thought all prohormones were taken off, hook me up with a link if you know of it

yes theyre illegal.. sorry man i cant hook you up i rely on a local source.

**kicka19** · 03-21-2005, 10:58 PM

i still got 2 bottles of that other 4-ad stashed, I bought a a bunch before they took em off the market. Even tho im hearing that shit changes to estrogen somtimes i still know i am getting results from it. Im gona take a month or two off of it once im done with the bottle im on now, any suggestions for a good mixture of shit to take in order to keep my mass and strength without seeing a drop off when i stop with the andro? ive taken creatine a few years ago with only slight results. any suggestions would help

**redspy** · 03-21-2005, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by DDan16

But the 1ad, converts to 1-test. this wont convert to estrogen right?

Correct.

**redspy** · 03-21-2005, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by kicka19

i still got 2 bottles of that other 4-ad stashed, I bought a a bunch before they took em off the market. Even tho im hearing that shit changes to estrogen somtimes i still know i am getting results from it. Im gona take a month or two off of it once im done with the bottle im on now, any suggestions for a good mixture of shit to take in order to keep my mass and strength without seeing a drop off when i stop with the andro? ive taken creatine a few years ago with only slight results. any suggestions would help

What do you have lined up for PCT?

**kicka19** · 03-21-2005, 11:04 PM

sorry for being a newb to the this board but what does "pct" stand for?

**SlimShady** · 03-22-2005, 04:03 AM

Read the PH sticky at the top of this forum. It's got some good info inside it.

**DDan16** · 03-22-2005, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by kicka19

sorry for being a newb to the this board but what does "pct" stand for?

if you dont do pct you may lose your gains after you come off the 4ad, what do you expect to gain off 2 months of 4ad?

**DDan16** · 03-22-2005, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by kicka19

any suggestions for a good mixture of shit to take in order to keep my mass and strength without seeing a drop off when i stop with the andro?

yes, run 15 days of pct on 6-oxo

days 1-5-600mg (300mg w/ breakfast, 300mg w/ dinner)
days 6-10-400mg (with dinner)
days 11-15-20omg (with dinner)

**kicka19** · 03-22-2005, 12:23 PM

ya im reading about that 6-0x0 stuff, tell me if im right in my summary, when coming off an andro cycle you take it and it stop the estrogen from being produced since the natural T is lowed from the andro? you saying take this stuff for 15 days, does the 15 days act as sort of a buffer zone to allow your body to catch up with testostrone production? and if i do this will the gains i made be fairly permenent even after i lay off the dro? thanks for the help man

**DDan16** · 03-22-2005, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by kicka19

ya im reading about that 6-0x0 stuff, tell me if im right in my summary, when coming off an andro cycle you take it and it stop the estrogen from being produced since the natural T is lowed from the andro? you saying take this stuff for 15 days, does the 15 days act as sort of a buffer zone to allow your body to catch up with testostrone production? and if i do this will the gains i made be fairly permenent even after i lay off the dro? thanks for the help man

yep! good man

**kicka19** · 03-23-2005, 02:27 PM

Are you sure about taking them for only 15 days, i just bought the stuff 2day, other sites are staying take it for a month

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