Thread: 1-ad or M1t + 4-AD+4-OHT?

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Originally Posted by Kevin Lacombe

I know you can stack 1-ad with 4-ad. Could you stack 1-ad+4-ad+4-oht?

that would be fine

And what about stacking m1t+4-ad+4-oht?

as long as the 4-ad isn't methylated like the it is in "4-ad + THE MASS BUILDER"

methylated compounds place stress on the liver so it is sensible to have only one methylated compound in a stack

I think so too.
Im pretty sure this is ok. I read the ph faq, and got some advice here, just want to double and triple check.
I would like as many opinions as possable, your knowledge is my success!

Thanks,
Kevin.

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Kevin, is this your first cycle? Are you looking for a bulking cycle?

Yes, it will be my first. My main goal is to shed, I've got that down ok(training/diet)
I'd like to do a bulking cycle. I weigh 300, 190 lbm. If muscle burns fat, I want more muscle. Plus I cant Imagine myself 200 lbs lean. Ive always been big, Its psycalogical, I guess kind of like the oppiste of anorexia?
Anyways ,yes, and yes.
Having problems getting exactly what I want, So im gettin confused when theres an xtra ingrediant.
Thanks.

Oh shit. Sorry I forgot sumthin'

So 2 meth compounds would be harder on the liver, what if I cant get any other 4-ad product?
It sucks, That I missed the deadline, I'm tryin to use whats available to me.

If I go ahead and run meth test, with the meth 4-ad, can I just suppleiment with the liver protection stuff from the faq?
Right now it looks like I dont have a choice but to run them, I do have lots of time b4 the M1T cycle, so I could keep on the look out for straight up 4-ad. My resources are limited, for now I'll try to research what I can do to protect my liver for when the time comes.
Im happy I can at least run the 1-ad cycle.
For the M1T I will run tamoxifen citrate for pct, and My first cycle, I will run 6-oxo since I have it and it will be sufficiant for 1-ad.

Thanks, let me know what you guys think.

Originally Posted by Kevin Lacombe

Yes, it will be my first. My main goal is to shed, I've got that down ok(training/diet)
I'd like to do a bulking cycle. I weigh 300, 190 lbm. If muscle burns fat, I want more muscle. Plus I cant Imagine myself 200 lbs lean. Ive always been big, Its psycalogical, I guess kind of like the oppiste of anorexia?
Anyways ,yes, and yes.
Having problems getting exactly what I want, So im gettin confused when theres an xtra ingrediant.
Thanks.

If you weigh 300lb and your lbm is 190 that would put you at about 33%bf. DO NOT RUN PROHORMONES @ 33%bf - seriously not a good idea!

What does your diet look like? training?

Actually, my bf% was 44 feb 22, at 312lbs.

My diet is good, I follow body for life eating princapals. equal carbs to protien.
Ex.1. 3-4 oz chicken , brn rice, green beans & carrots.
2. oatmeal mixed with chocolate protien powder, sliced almonds, 1tblsp natural p.butter.
3.greek salad- mixed greens, sliced black olives, red pepper, feta cheese, olive oil&balsamic vin., broiledlamb tenderloin
4.protien shake, apple.
5.Broiled pork tend. w/ sliced yams broiled& brushed w/olive oil. carrots, and green beans.
6. sugar free vanilla mouse, w/ vanilla protien powder.

Stricktly low gi carbs. I drink 6-10 litres of water daily, i only drink water and maybe coffee, skim milk for shakes.

Training.
4-5 day split.
arms-back-chest-shoulders-legs
Sometimes I pair 1 day up with two bodyparts, ex. back/chest.

5 sets of every exercise 12-10-8-6-12 reps
Increase weight as reps go down, last set I use a weight that is hard to finish set.
Cardio, no less than 3 per week, and as much as 6 per week.
Intensity is very high with everything I do.
I drop an average 3.5 lbs a week.
Anything else?
Why/ how does bf affect ph cycles?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Kevin Lacombe

Actually, my bf% was 44 feb 22, at 312lbs.

My diet is good, I follow body for life eating princapals. equal carbs to protien.
Ex.1. 3-4 oz chicken , brn rice, green beans & carrots.
2. oatmeal mixed with chocolate protien powder, sliced almonds, 1tblsp natural p.butter.
3.greek salad- mixed greens, sliced black olives, red pepper, feta cheese, olive oil&balsamic vin., broiledlamb tenderloin
4.protien shake, apple.
5.Broiled pork tend. w/ sliced yams broiled& brushed w/olive oil. carrots, and green beans.
6. sugar free vanilla mouse, w/ vanilla protien powder.

Stricktly low gi carbs. I drink 6-10 litres of water daily, i only drink water and maybe coffee, skim milk for shakes.

Training.
4-5 day split.
arms-back-chest-shoulders-legs
Sometimes I pair 1 day up with two bodyparts, ex. back/chest.

5 sets of every exercise 12-10-8-6-12 reps
Increase weight as reps go down, last set I use a weight that is hard to finish set.
Cardio, no less than 3 per week, and as much as 6 per week.
Intensity is very high with everything I do.
I drop an average 3.5 lbs a week.
Anything else?
Why/ how does bf affect ph cycles?

Thanks.

Ok your diet looks pretty good. I would switch the lamb and pork for chicken or beef and drop the feta cheese.

Personally i wouldn't run a ph at a high body fat because your blood pressure will be very high, there will be a greater conversion to estrogen and because its actually harder to add muscle when your bodyfat is high.

Thanks.
Lamb, pork tenderloin are good protien sources. Lamb has a better amino acid profile than beef, and tastes better(new zealand) I think the important thing to remember is the cut. I eat chicken and beef too but I like variety.

I'll wait till me Bf% drops closer to 20%. I planned on waiting anyway, but I didnt know about the bf% being a negative thing.
Thanks again.

get below 20%. your risk of heart attack at even that bf% is seriously increased. sorry, but PH's are not a very good idea for you now.

and your LBM at 312 lbs was 175 lbs, not 190.

also, don't get tricked into thinking that muscle burns fat. it doesnt. that's why those ab machines dont do shit.

Ok lets get it straight , I know about the bf%
Bio impediance was what calculated the bf%

I'd like to hear what others have to say about muscle burning fat.
If you have muscle, and use it its gotta burn somthing if you limit the typs of things you put in your body.

I think muscle burns fat!

More muscle does raise your metabolic rate, and if you are eating less than you burn you will burn fat. I recommend you focus on diet, not drugs to fix your obesity problem.