Maximum Pump or Anabolic-Matrix Rx?

**RoCk79** · 05-02-2005, 11:10 AM

Which would you recommend. If you were going to choose one or the other? Thanks.

**tryintogetbig** · 05-02-2005, 11:29 AM

If you had to choose one, and if you are currently not taking a creatine product then Maximum Pump

**RoCk79** · 05-02-2005, 11:44 AM

OK, I should give a little background on what my goal is too. To try to lose b/f without losing muscle. Gaining as much muscle as I can while losing my B/F.

**Stu** · 05-02-2005, 11:53 AM

they both do different things its a bit of a pointless comparison

**Prince** · 05-02-2005, 12:00 PM

2 completely different products.

**RoCk79** · 05-02-2005, 12:19 PM

OK, I figured, so reguarding my goal, I'm not taking any other supplements, I'm doing 3 days heavy lifting, 2 days heavy cardio, I would like to know if you would recommend one or the other. I have tried, and just finished anabolic matrix, and I did enjoy the gains on that, I dont feel like I have lost any amount of muscle with my heavy cardio, I'm at 22% b/f, I am mainly focusing on my diet, and have been doing so for about 4 months, just curious as to if one of these would be good for my situation. Thanks. Or maybe both?

**Prince** · 05-02-2005, 12:20 PM

both!

www.ironmaglabs.com/specials.html

**RoCk79** · 05-02-2005, 12:26 PM

OK, Rob, I'm going to be a pain.

I know I asked you before about anabolic matrix, you said it was fine to take if I was not on any other supps. So thats good. That seems to be what I want to do. I'm worried tho that the Maximum pump, at the moment, will act like creatine, and add water weight. I have my honeymoon coming up, and after it I will probably not care about water weight at that point, but I'm trying to get as slim as possible with building muscle, I'm hitting the gym for an hour easily 3 times a week, with p/t to add size, and hitting cardio very hard 2 days a week. So I just want to make sure. Thanks.

**Prince** · 05-02-2005, 12:36 PM

Yes, all creatine products cause water retention, I guess I would say you would be fine if you stopped using it a few days before.

**RoCk79** · 05-02-2005, 02:03 PM

OK, ordered anabolic matrix.

**Dale Mabry** · 05-02-2005, 02:10 PM

Tricreatine malate is working great for me wrt not causing water retention. I blow up like a balloon on monohydrate.

**RoCk79** · 05-02-2005, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Tricreatine malate is working great for me wrt not causing water retention. I blow up like a balloon on monohydrate.

So you find the maximum pump working out well? Question then, is it ok to be on both at the same time? Pump plus anabolic? Remember, the only other close supplement I'm taking is protein and multi vitamins. Thanks.

**redspy** · 05-02-2005, 02:25 PM

Creatine Ethyl Ester would be my choice.

**soxmuscle** · 05-02-2005, 02:25 PM

Yes. I think it is actually recommended to take both at the same time, and I actually think the fat burner that Rob has is supposed to be taken with the two aswell.

**RoCk79** · 05-02-2005, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Yes. I think it is actually recommended to take both at the same time, and I actually think the fat burner that Rob has is supposed to be taken with the two aswell.

Awesome, thanks. I will go order some maximum pump. I hope I dont get all bloated.

**RoCk79** · 05-02-2005, 02:51 PM

Ordered both, so wish me luck.

**Prince** · 05-02-2005, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by redspy

Creatine Ethyl Ester would be my choice.

have you tried Maximum Pump yet?

if not, why post that here when this thread was specifically asking about my two products?

**RoCk79** · 05-02-2005, 03:28 PM

Dont worry Rob, I ordered your products, I been around for 4 years, I trust your products better then most. Thanks for your help and not making me feel like an idiot asking this question.

**Brolly** · 05-02-2005, 04:45 PM

Well if u dont make gains will u still trust his products?

**redspy** · 05-02-2005, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

have you tried Maximum Pump yet?

if not, why post that here when this thread was specifically asking about my two products?

I've used all of your core ingredients (Citrulline Malate, N-Acetyl-Glutamine, Taurine) and one minor variation (Dicreatine Malate) from CNW as bulk powder. All good products but CEE has the edge IMO. As he was soliciting opinions I offered mine. Is that okay with you?

If you offered bulk powders I'd test out your product, but I don't like paying a premium for tableting, bottles and packaging etc.

**RoCk79** · 05-02-2005, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Brolly

Well if u dont make gains will u still trust his products?

Not that I wouldn't trust them no, but I have tried the anabolic Matrix before, and liked it. So I will try out his other product too.

**soxmuscle** · 05-02-2005, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Brolly

Well if u dont make gains will u still trust his products?

Robs product is a top of the line creatine and top of the line natural test booster. You can't expect anything but what you would recieve from a top of the line creatine and a top of the line natural test booster.

**Prince** · 05-02-2005, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by redspy

I've used all of your core ingredients (Citrulline Malate, N-Acetyl-Glutamine, Taurine) and one minor variation (Dicreatine Malate) from CNW as bulk powder. All good products but CEE has the edge IMO. As he was soliciting opinions I offered mine. Is that okay with you?

He was soliciting opinions on two particular products ( Maximum Pump & Anabolic-Matrix Rx ), no where did he ask about CEE. Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem, or you missed the title of the thread.

Dicreatine malate is not quite the same as Tricreatine malate now is it? Just as creatine monohydrate is not the same as Dicreatine malate, so not the best comparison. Also, there are different qualities of raw ingredients out there, so again you have not tried my product -- which is a combination of 7 ingredients that work synergistically, again not the same as trying the "core ingredients" as you say that you did.

Is it okay with me? No not really, but you and your buddy Pirate seem to go out of your way to be assholes and push my buttons regardless... Whatever though.

**min0 lee** · 05-02-2005, 06:53 PM

**Prince** · 05-02-2005, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

no, sorry I am done in this thread, I do not have time for people like him.

**LW83** · 05-02-2005, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by redspy

I've used all of your core ingredients (Citrulline Malate, N-Acetyl-Glutamine, Taurine) and one minor variation (Dicreatine Malate) from CNW as bulk powder. All good products but CEE has the edge IMO. As he was soliciting opinions I offered mine. Is that okay with you?

If you offered bulk powders I'd test out your product, but I don't like paying a premium for tableting, bottles and packaging etc.

No PUMP for you!

**min0 lee** · 05-02-2005, 07:19 PM

I hear that, the popcorn thing isn't meant to instigate....I just do it when I see a good thread.

I buy your products and I am happy with them.

But RedSpy and Pirate have a right to voice their opinion so I guess your going to see some of this every now and then from other people.

Du · 05-02-2005, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

Is it okay with me? No not really, but you and your buddy Pirate seem to go out of your way to be assholes and push my buttons regardless... Whatever though.

Your attitude has taken a major turn for the worse lately.

Just FYI, keep it in mind.

**min0 lee** · 05-02-2005, 07:55 PM

**redspy** · 05-02-2005, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

He was soliciting opinions on two particular products ( Maximum Pump & Anabolic-Matrix Rx ), no where did he ask about CEE. Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem, or you missed the title of the thread.

Since when do you take such an active interest in ensuring that threads stay on track? So should I expect to see consistent intervention when threads go off topic from now on? I'm fully aware of the topic at hand and I chipped in with a product I thought would be helpful. If you offered CEE would we be having this exchange? I doubt it.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

Dicreatine malate is not quite the same as TriCreatine Malate now is it? Just as creatine monohydrate is not the same as Dicreatine malate, so not the best comparison. Also, there are different qualities of raw ingredients out there, so again you have not tried my product -- which is a combination of 7 ingredients that work synergistically, again not the same as trying the "core ingredients" as you say that you did.

So please explain to me the vast differences between Dicreatine malate and TriCreatine Malate with clinical studies showing superior athletic performance. Data on "synergies" (it's more than a marketing term) would also be nice since it's part of your unique selling proposition.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

Is it okay with me? No not really, but you and your buddy Pirate seem to go out of your way to be assholes and push my buttons regardless... Whatever though.

Let's face it, pushing your buttons doesn't involve much these days. A lack of desire to promote your products is enough to raise your temper, as is presenting clinical studies that don't support marketing copy. This used to be a board where there was a free exchange of ideas, knowledge, and experience untainted with commercial pressures. I appreciate you have a living to make, we all do - just understand the long term cost.

One final point, it's "assholes" like me who increase site traffic, make the site more attractive to advertisers and add to the size of your database. Also, for what it's worth I'm an Elite member which means I donated money to your site to support your efforts. Your petty personal insults are very revealing of your business demeanor.

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