M1T or 1-AD

**Milkyway777** · 05-09-2005, 07:31 AM

Which of these would u reccomend and why?

**Pirate!** · 05-09-2005, 07:34 AM

1-ad for a first cycle. Then M1T for the next. Why? Because 1-ad has low sides, and you can get the feel for what being "on" can feel like. M1T is potent. When you were a kid, you started swimming in the shallow end then progressed toward deeper waters. Same thing here.

**Milkyway777** · 05-09-2005, 07:40 AM

Another question about PH's I have is, did the companies actually stop producing Ph's completly? For example did Ergopharm stop production of 1-ad totally, even overseas? If so would you reccomend stocking up on such?

**musclepump** · 05-09-2005, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Milkyway777

Another question about PH's I have is, did the companies actually stop producing Ph's completly? For example did Ergopharm stop production of 1-ad totally, even overseas? If so would you reccomend stocking up on such?

This would vary for every company, depending on their distribution. I know a lot of companies are based out of California and made product for US markets only.

**LW83** · 05-09-2005, 10:28 AM

Neither. Why do you want them?

Hormone pre-cursors don't build muscle. Food does

**Stu** · 05-09-2005, 10:29 AM

Prohormones are not being manufactured anywhere by anybody anymore. I think pretty much all of them were made in the states.

**TheGreatSatan** · 05-09-2005, 03:56 PM

Where the hell are you getting 1AD from???

Du · 05-09-2005, 08:21 PM

M1T all the way, without a doubt.

1-AD converts to 1-Test, which is just the unmethylated version of M1T. So the difference is basically the serving size and the methyl group. If you want size and strength and know what youre doing, go with M1T. Fuck the 1-AD.

**Milkyway777** · 05-09-2005, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by LW83

Neither. Why do you want them?

Hormone pre-cursors don't build muscle. Food does

LW83, food and ph's build more muscle than food alone.

**Milkyway777** · 05-09-2005, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by du510

M1T all the way, without a doubt.

1-AD converts to 1-Test, which is just the unmethylated version of M1T. So the difference is basically the serving size and the methyl group. If you want size and strength and know what youre doing, go with M1T. Fuck the 1-AD.

So M1T is that much more superior to 1-AD? i thought that 1-ad was one of the best ph's out there.?

Du · 05-09-2005, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Milkyway777

So M1T is that much more superior to 1-AD? i thought that 1-ad was one of the best ph's out there.?

1-AD undoubtedly is one of the best PH's out there. But M1T is far superior; it is not a PH. Its an anabolic steriod, an already-active hormone.

1-AD is a prohormone. Your body converts a percentage of it into 1-Test.

M1T - no conversion necessary.

If youre going to run M1T though - learn what youre doing. Get your ancialliaries, get your food. Know what youre putting in your body and what it is going to do to you. And then, when you tihnk you know it all - read some more, cuz you still wont know enough.

**Pirate!** · 05-09-2005, 10:12 PM

I respectfully disagree with du. 1-ad works great for a first cycle with relatively low sides, and you can run it twice as long without worrying about being shut down as hard or liver problems. No doubt that M1T is much more potent, but 1-ad is a great place to start. Recovering your natural test is much eaiser after 1-ad than M1T, and testicular atrophy isn't as big of an issue with 1-ad.

**musclepump** · 05-09-2005, 11:04 PM

I don't know anyone who has had any atrophy with "normal" dosages of M1T, but 1-AD is definitely best to start with, IMO.

**funkdocta** · 05-10-2005, 02:39 AM

dont let these guys scare you, they make it sound like your balls are going to drop off if you take M1T

It may be a steroid but its nowhere near as effective as say Sustanon or Test.

As long as you have a good read up on the sides to expect (you aint likely to get many, although you never know) and have some Nolvadex for PCT (incase of gyno) you will be fine.

The biggest problem with M1T is liver toxicity, thats why you should'nt really run it longer than 4-5 weeks.

As for 1-AD I havnt used it personally but a friend didnt see much in the way of gains from it, so ill reserve judgement.

**LW83** · 05-10-2005, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Milkyway777

So M1T is that much more superior to 1-AD? i thought that 1-ad was one of the best ph's out there.?

Have you tried food alone yet?

What's the diet like.

**Pirate!** · 05-10-2005, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

I don't know anyone who has had any atrophy with "normal" dosages of M1T.

Then we haven't met. A 20 day cycle shut me down for over a month after coming off and shrank my balls despite an aggressive novla pct. Sucked big time. I wouldn't run it without hcg personally.

**Milkyway777** · 05-10-2005, 11:43 PM

Taking 1-ad at 22 yrs old is ok right?

**LW83** · 05-11-2005, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Milkyway777

Taking 1-ad at 22 yrs old is ok right?

Although 1-ad is the weakest (IMO) messing with your hormones at any age can be detrimental. Be warned. And don't expect results that will justify possible side effects.

Enjoy

**Tha Don** · 05-11-2005, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I respectfully disagree with du. 1-ad works great for a first cycle with relatively low sides, and you can run it twice as long without worrying about being shut down as hard or liver problems. No doubt that M1T is much more potent, but 1-ad is a great place to start. Recovering your natural test is much eaiser after 1-ad than M1T, and testicular atrophy isn't as big of an issue with 1-ad.

1-ad didn't shut me down at all, and i had little to no sides from it, apart from a boosted ego by the end, looking back at it wasn't such a bad cycle, TBH i expected way too much from it, but i did end up gaining a fair bit of strength (a good 10kg on my bench) and about 5lbs LBM from it which i DID keep all of until very recently (but what i lost was due to poor diet, i'm convinced if i hadn't cut my cals so low i'd still have that muscle on me now), i'd go with that, its a great place to start IMO

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