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**musclepump** · 01-27-2006, 11:04 AM

I'm giving 1-AD a shot. I've got some 4-Derm to go with it; how many sprays do most people use of this stuff when hitting up two capsules a day of 1-AD?

**ATOMSPLTR** · 01-27-2006, 03:04 PM

Are you only doing 200mgs of 1-ad a day? I thought the standard was 600-800.

**musclepump** · 01-27-2006, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by ATOMSPLTR

Are you only doing 200mgs of 1-ad a day? I thought the standard was 600-800.

People all have their preferences

**Pirate!** · 01-27-2006, 06:11 PM

I wouldn't do less than 3 caps of 1-ad. Use at least 400 mg of 4-ad a day (in two doses).

**kraziplaya** · 01-27-2006, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I wouldn't do less than 3 caps of 1-ad. Use at least 400 mg of 4-ad a day (in two doses).

agreed...if you are going to do it... do it right

**topolo** · 01-27-2006, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

People all have their preferences

Yes, Dale's is penis.

**musclepump** · 01-27-2006, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by kraziplaya

agreed...if you are going to do it... do it right

"Right" is up to individual decision. I'm doing it "Right" according to the label. "Wrong" apparently by your preference.

**ST240** · 01-27-2006, 10:28 PM

Just curious, are you going to be running any sort of PCT?

**musclepump** · 01-27-2006, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by ST240

Just curious, are you going to be running any sort of PCT?

I don't know how many times I've gone off on newbies because they hadn't planned any PCT in their cycle. Of course I am running PCT.

**ST240** · 01-27-2006, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

I don't know how many times I've gone off on newbies because they hadn't planned any PCT in their cycle. Of course I am running PCT.

nolva?

**musclepump** · 01-27-2006, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by ST240

nolva?

More than likely. When I originally planned on only running the 1-AD, I was going to use 6-OXO, but because I'm stacking with transdermals, I'll probably use Nolva on a descending scale.

**ST240** · 01-27-2006, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

More than likely. When I originally planned on only running the 1-AD, I was going to use 6-OXO, but because I'm stacking with transdermals, I'll probably use Nolva on a descending scale.

is it possible to get away with 6-oxo when using a 1-ad/4-ad stack?

**musclepump** · 01-27-2006, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by ST240

is it possible to get away with 6-oxo when using a 1-ad/4-ad stack?

Sure. A lot of people get away with it. Just depends on how you're shut down. A lot of people when it comes to PH/PS will only use Nolva on M1T cycles, others are die-hards and use it anytime. Me, I don't like that it's a carcinogen and that I got some eye problems from it, so 6-OXO is appealing. I think the majority of people on this stack simply use 6-OXO.

**Tha Don** · 01-28-2006, 08:49 AM

sup MP

i'd recommend using 4 caps of 1ad a day, and 4-5 squirts of 4ad twice a day

that is the exact cycle i ran for 6 weeks (my first ever cycle), and results were good, no bad side effects, a lil water weight and mild lethargy now and then but it was bearable

**kraziplaya** · 01-28-2006, 08:51 PM

1-ad shut me down pretty hard....harder than test enanthate..... i suggest a good pct regimen....i used 6-oxo for my pct with 1-ad and i felt shutdown for at least 6 weeks...

**musclepump** · 01-29-2006, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by kraziplaya

1-ad shut me down pretty hard....harder than test enanthate..... i suggest a good pct regimen....i used 6-oxo for my pct with 1-ad and i felt shutdown for at least 6 weeks...

Maybe because your dose was higher than suggested

**ST240** · 01-29-2006, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

Maybe because your dose was higher than suggested

lol.

When i stacked 1ad/4ad i followed the doses exactly and i made pretty damn good gains.

**Cold Iron** · 01-29-2006, 10:10 PM

300mg absolute minimum. MP, I would think you should start @ 400 for 2 weeks and then push to 600mg for the remainder. (2 more weeks?)

**Tha Don** · 01-30-2006, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Cold Iron

300mg absolute minimum. MP, I would think you should start @ 400 for 2 weeks and then push to 600mg for the remainder. (2 more weeks?)

tapering makes absolutely no sense, upping the dose to 600mg for 2 weeks is simply not long enough to experience any additional benefits, 1ad takes a good 3-4 weeks to get going, hence i wouldn't recommend going under 6 weeks with it, 4 weeks isn't really long enough

**Cold Iron** · 01-30-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by young d

tapering makes absolutely no sense, upping the dose to 600mg for 2 weeks is simply not long enough to experience any additional benefits, 1ad takes a good 3-4 weeks to get going, hence i wouldn't recommend going under 6 weeks with it, 4 weeks isn't really long enough

I agree, it should be done longer than 4 weeks, but to say it takes 4 weeks to get going is ridiculous. There isn't any additional benefit from tapering up or down, but its used to see how you react at first. Personally I ended up doing it just based on the limited quantity i had.

**Pirate!** · 01-31-2006, 10:17 AM

Why use 6-oxo when there are much more effective AIs (which happen to be cheaper)

**musclepump** · 01-31-2006, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Why use 6-oxo when there are much more effective AIs (which happen to be cheaper)

Because I obtained some visual problems with Nolva.

**dc96b** · 01-31-2006, 12:26 PM

Can you get 1-ad / 4-ad anymore?

**musclepump** · 01-31-2006, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by dc96b

Can you get 1-ad / 4-ad anymore?

no

**Tha Don** · 01-31-2006, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by dc96b

Can you get 1-ad / 4-ad anymore?

not in the USA, but the raw powders are still freely avaliable over here

**Tha Don** · 01-31-2006, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

Because I obtained some visual problems with Nolva.

what happened??

**musclepump** · 02-01-2006, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by young d

what happened??

Developed myopia which my eye doc thought was rather strange since it isn't congenital and my eyes otherwise looked healthy except for specific endings in my eye. Had some name for them, not sure what they were. He didn't say it was nolva, but I didn't offer up that I had taken it, either. Maybe they aren't related, but my eyes had always been 20/20 until I took Nolva, then they deteriorated pretty quickly.

**Tha Don** · 02-01-2006, 09:04 AM

shit, so do you need glasses now? is the condition reversable? how long were you on nolva for? and what were the symptoms.. any pains or did you just start to notice trouble reading/seeing things?

strangely my eyesight has improved over the past year or so, but i'm already supposed to wear glasses so i certainly wouldn't want my eyesight to deteriorate anymore, but was pleasantly suprised to find out that isn't the case

**musclepump** · 02-01-2006, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by young d

shit, so do you need glasses now? is the condition reversable? how long were you on nolva for? and what were the symptoms.. any pains or did you just start to notice trouble reading/seeing things?

I have glasses now, yeah. It's not bad enough that I couldn't pass the DMV test so I don't have to wear them while driving, but I don't know that that says much as we have 90 year old women driving without glasses.

I don't think it's reversible, no symptoms, just started seeing things fuzzier than before.

**Tha Don** · 02-01-2006, 09:11 AM

damm that nolva really is some shit, i seriously don't want to run that shit ever again, the side effects of the SERM's are actually of more concern to me than the sides of the AAS

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