Fat burner

**Stu** · 02-14-2006, 05:19 AM

Used alone epherdrine will do very little for you, but when you combine it with cardio it is very effective.

**Hlanderr** · 02-14-2006, 09:48 AM

I tried Ventilean yesteday, which contains synephrine (or something really close to that spelling)

Synephrine is a compound close to ephedrine, probably not nearly as effective, but this product got me some boost.... felt awesome

ventilean is made by pharmagenx, and its a liquid

**gopro** · 02-14-2006, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I believe all these stimulants put stress on the CNS, which makes it easier to overtrain on a cut. Just something to consider...

But in turn you can do less cardio which will negate that. That said, I never felt I needed to reduce volume on E/C.

**gopro** · 02-14-2006, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Robboe

I get stimulation and appetite suppression (which would help with fat loss if i didn't follow a set diet daily anyway), but beyond that, i have never noticed any accelerations in fat loss. Its quite weird actually.

Clenbuterol didn't either.

Yeah, that IS weird. However, I have seen more variation in the effectivness of clenbuterol than with E/C. Usually I find E/C works pretty consistently with people.

But hey, then again I have known guys that don't grow much on 1000 mg of Test a week, so we are all a bit different.

**Robboe** · 02-14-2006, 01:03 PM

To add more mystery, Ergopharm's AMP doesn't stimulate me (makes me tired in fact).

Figure that one out!

**uhockey** · 02-14-2006, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Robboe

To add more mystery, Ergopharm's AMP doesn't stimulate me (makes me tired in fact).

Figure that one out!

It makes everyone tired if they don't take it on a more/less empty stomach and don't train relatively quickly afrerward.

I believe someone HAS figured it out

**gopro** · 02-14-2006, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Robboe

To add more mystery, Ergopharm's AMP doesn't stimulate me (makes me tired in fact).

Figure that one out!

Did M 1-T make you shrink? Does estrogen antagonists make you HOLD water? Maybe you are "opposite" man!

**topolo** · 02-14-2006, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by gopro

Did M 1-T make you shrink? Does estrogen antagonists make you HOLD water? Maybe you are "opposite" man!

He is not a man at all.

**Robboe** · 02-15-2006, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by gopro

Did M 1-T make you shrink? Does estrogen antagonists make you HOLD water? Maybe you are "opposite" man!

Actually, i've only used M1T twice, and both times, instead of dropping libido like most report, it made me a randy bastard - i was one phase away from being a fully-fledged sex-pest, i kid you not.

**gopro** · 02-15-2006, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Robboe

Actually, i've only used M1T twice, and both times, instead of dropping libido like most report, it made me a randy bastard - i was one phase away from being a fully-fledged sex-pest, i kid you not.

Wow, you must have an interesting internal chemistry! LOL!

**40-yard dash_2** · 02-15-2006, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by gopro

Wow, you must have an interesting internal chemistry! LOL!

I mean, come on. This is Rob were talking about here.

**Robboe** · 02-15-2006, 12:37 PM

Yeah. Eric, you've always known i'm fucked in the head. Clearly the disorder effects the rest of my body haha.

**gopro** · 02-15-2006, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Robboe

Yeah. Eric, you've always known i'm fucked in the head. Clearly the disorder effects the rest of my body haha.

The old mind/body connection...damn that thing!!!

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