Your favorite casein?

**musclepump** · 04-08-2006, 06:56 PM

After I ate about my 6,000th container of cottage cheese, I decided to switch over to a casein shake before bed. I've used Ultra Peptide and now just bought Micellar Casein from ISS. For those of you who take a nighttime shake, what do you use?

**largepkg** · 04-08-2006, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

After I ate about my 6,000th container of cottage cheese, I decided to switch over to a casein shake before bed. I've used Ultra Peptide and now just bought Micellar Casein from ISS. For those of you who take a nighttime shake, what do you use?

Whey + PB + EVOO

I've never used casein powder. I guess I should give it a shot.

**Triple Threat** · 04-08-2006, 07:42 PM

Optimum Nutrition casein

**fufu** · 04-08-2006, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Triple Threat

Optimum Nutrition casein

I second that.

**musclepump** · 04-08-2006, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Triple Threat

Optimum Nutrition casein

A slightly cheaper alternative, and better tasting, is the Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide. More protein, less $ per serving, and great effects.

**Triple Threat** · 04-09-2006, 01:40 PM

Thanks, MP. I'll give them a try next time I need to order.

**Hlanderr** · 04-09-2006, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

A slightly cheaper alternative, and better tasting, is the Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide. More protein, less $ per serving, and great effects.

Looks like a great blend.... GREAT price too...

**musclepump** · 04-10-2006, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Hlanderr

Looks like a great blend.... GREAT price too...

Definitely good stuff. You'll like it!

**wheystation** · 04-10-2006, 07:03 PM

Okay - I will send you a sample of our Casein products - just drop me a line at wheystation@aol.com and include your full name/addy/and product sample wanted.

Laura
www.allthewhey.com
Discount Code - Laura10

**FishOrCutBait** · 04-11-2006, 12:56 AM

Was gonna say, ATW casein is good

**icanrace** · 04-12-2006, 05:14 AM

Muscle Milk and or Lean Mass Matrix by prolab

**Tha Don** · 04-12-2006, 08:24 AM

cottage cheese

casein powders are rubbish, not only are they flawed and taste horrid but they over no advantage whatsoever over solid food, a slow digesting protein shake? lol, please, what is the point? i get enough artificial crap going through my digestive system with all the whey and other health/sports supplements i take i'm sure not going to stick more down the hatch when it is easily substituted with more nutritious and better tasting alternatives, steak or casein shake? gee.. dats a tuff won!

**Nate K** · 04-12-2006, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Tha Don

cottage cheese

casein powders are rubbish, not only are they flawed and taste horrid but they over no advantage whatsoever over solid food, a slow digesting protein shake? lol, please, what is the point? i get enough artificial crap going through my digestive system with all the whey and other health/sports supplements i take i'm sure not going to stick more down the hatch when it is easily substituted with more nutritious and better tasting alternatives, steak or casein shake? gee.. dats a tuff won!

This is the supplement forum buddy....it's not that helpful...we know it's not the best option out there.

**musclepump** · 04-12-2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Tha Don

cottage cheese

casein powders are rubbish, not only are they flawed and taste horrid but they over no advantage whatsoever over solid food, a slow digesting protein shake? lol, please, what is the point? i get enough artificial crap going through my digestive system with all the whey and other health/sports supplements i take i'm sure not going to stick more down the hatch when it is easily substituted with more nutritious and better tasting alternatives, steak or casein shake? gee.. dats a tuff won!

Thank you, Mr. Shits. Obviously there are better alternatives, but I had become quite fed up with cottage cheese, so I moved to casein shakes. Which, by the way, are quite clean and taste quite good.

**Tha Don** · 04-12-2006, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Nate K

This is the supplement forum buddy....

no shit! i thought i was in the photo gallery!

it's not that helpful...we know it's not the best option out there.

who is 'we'?.. you may know, others less informed than yourself may not, please take all members of the forum into account in future, as opposed to just yourself, and you are saying i am not being helpful? my friend, for the record my post was far more informative than yours

**Tha Don** · 04-12-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by musclepump

Thank you, Mr. Shits. Obviously there are better alternatives, but I had become quite fed up with cottage cheese, so I moved to casein shakes. Which, by the way, are quite clean and taste quite good.

thats great

**PreMier** · 04-12-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tha Don

cottage cheese

casein powders are rubbish, not only are they flawed and taste horrid but they over no advantage whatsoever over solid food, a slow digesting protein shake? lol, please, what is the point? i get enough artificial crap going through my digestive system with all the whey and other health/sports supplements i take i'm sure not going to stick more down the hatch when it is easily substituted with more nutritious and better tasting alternatives, steak or casein shake? gee.. dats a tuff won!

Actually casein powders are more effective, and cost less per serving than cottage cheese does.

With that, I use dorian yates pro peptide.. and I love it.

**Tha Don** · 04-12-2006, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by PreMier

Actually casein powders are more effective, and cost less per serving than cottage cheese does.

any evidence to show the effectiveness of casien powders?

**PreMier** · 04-12-2006, 05:03 PM

Ok, so the BV of casein is 77(on a scale to 100). Its lower than whey, but its used because of its slow digestion.

http://www.netrition.com/protein_chart_in_page.html

Now if we look at the protein that I use Dorian approved Pro Peptide, you get 2lbs for 25$. For a total of 14 servings(2 scoops) and 630g of total protein. Thats like what, .04-.05 a gram?

Cottage cheese is more expensice than that.

As far as proving the effectiveness, do you not understand that casein powders are MADE from milk?

**Pirate!** · 04-12-2006, 08:52 PM

And cottage cheese is Na+ overkill if you eat enough. I use ON Casien, but I'm open to try others. I really like it, though. 2 scoops and 6 fish caps keeps my satiated all night.

I use Dorian approved Pro Peptide, you get 2lbs for 25$

Where do you get it from?

**PreMier** · 04-13-2006, 08:02 AM

Its 1$ more at bulk nutrition than it is at DPS nutrition.

**tucker01** · 04-13-2006, 08:17 AM

There have also been HEAPS of threads on the topic... Do a search!... But here are a few of them:
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=36488
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=47740

Now.... I have been saying that milk is great for PWO for YEARS now... But if you do not believe me... Try to take a look at some of the latest research coming out about optimal PWO nutrition (S. Phillips, Tipton... etc etc)!!

International whey conference This presentation by Dr Phillips states "Bottom Line
SYNTHESIS: WHY = MIX > CAS
BREAKDOWN: CAS = MIX > WHY
OXIDATION: WHY > MIX > CAS
BALANCE: MIX > WHY = CAS
A MIXTURE OF WHEY AND CASEIN MAY PROVIDE AN OPTIMAL BLEND OF PROTEINS TO SUPPORT PROTEIN ACCRETION IN MUSCLE AS A RESULT OF RESISTANCE EXERCISE"

From This t-nation article There is this info "—Research is underway to determine which mix of whey-casein: 100% whey, 75/25, 50/50, 25/75 or 100% casein best improves protein retention after 80% 1RM whole-body resistance exercise. So far (4 subjects), the casein seems to provide a bit higher BCAA and leucine-specific responses in the blood at the 60-minute mark. Watch for protein powder manufacturers to jump all over this research as they design their products next year...."

There is also this article which just states that whey and casein both can help:

Ingestion of casein and whey proteins result in muscle anabolism after resistance exercise.
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2004 Dec;36(12):2073-81.
Tipton KD, Elliott TA, Cree MG, Wolf SE, Sanford AP, Wolfe RR.
Metabolism Unit, Shriners Hospitals for Children and Department of Surgery, The University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston, TX
PURPOSE: Determination of the anabolic response to exercise and nutrition is important for individuals who may benefit from increased muscle mass. Intake of free amino acids after resistance exercise stimulates net muscle protein synthesis. The response of muscle protein balance to intact protein ingestion after exercise has not been studied. This study was designed to examine the acute response of muscle protein balance to ingestion of two different intact proteins after resistance exercise. METHODS: Healthy volunteers were randomly assigned to one of three groups. Each group consumed one of three drinks: placebo (PL; N = 7), 20 g of casein (CS; N = 7), or whey proteins (WH; N = 9). Volunteers consumed the drink 1 h after the conclusion of a leg extension exercise bout. CONCLUSIONS: Acute ingestion of both whey protein and casein after exercise resulted in similar increases in muscle protein net balance, resulting in net muscle protein synthesis despite different patterns of blood amino acid responses.

Here is some good info

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