Thread: For the quickest and most efficient glycogen replacement...

would you use somethin like this with m1ts?

Where could I purchase some WMS, Gopro

same here where can i buy some from?

Originally Posted by gopro

WMS accomplishes this because it has a far higher molecular weight and much lower osmolarity rate than either dextrose or maltodextrin. This allows it to basically bypass the stomach and be absorbed by the intestines for extremely rapid assimilation.

Help me understand here, i'm not being a dick, but how does it "bypass the stomach" and go straight to the intestines?

Originally Posted by Robboe

Help me understand here, i'm not being a dick, but how does it "bypass the stomach" and go straight to the intestines?

WMS has a molecular weight which is about 100 times greater than maltodextrin and about 3000 times greater than dextrose. Due to its high molecular weight, WMS passes through the stomach very quickly. In doing so it acts like a pump, pulling water and nutrients along with it. In Fact, Pure WMS moves through the stomach 80% faster than dextrose and maltodextrin.

I guess this better explains how it achieves such rapid assimilation. It does not "bypass" the stomach, but rather "passes through" incredibly quickly.

Right now the only source is trueprotein.com. It is listed under carbohydrates there.

If you choose to purchase it, go ahead and use my code (BODYFX), and you will get 5% off your order.

This is basically where I get all my protein as well.

Originally Posted by gopro

Right now the only source is trueprotein.com. It is listed under carbohydrates there.

If you choose to purchase it, go ahead and use my code (BODYFX), and you will get 5% off your order.

This is basically where I get all my protein as well.

Thanks! You da man, GoPro. Would you suggest WMS to your clients if they were cutting? Just curious

Same question as above, if on a cutting cycle, do you recommend this for pwo, or stick with slow burning carbs to keep insulin spike down.

Originally Posted by sonofman

Thanks! You da man, GoPro. Would you suggest WMS to your clients if they were cutting? Just curious

Cutting or bulking, I have my clients on WMS. Post workout your body is in a unique state whereby it is highly unlikely to store any fat from the calories you consume (unless you go ridiculously overboard). This is the time to take advantage and push as much nutrition into the muscle cells as possible, as quickly as possible, to reverse the catabolic action of training intensely.

And by the way...I have been combining my WMS with ALRI's Regeneration, and this is a very powerful combo!

Originally Posted by gopro

WMS has a molecular weight which is about 100 times greater than maltodextrin and about 3000 times greater than dextrose. Due to its high molecular weight, WMS passes through the stomach very quickly. In doing so it acts like a pump, pulling water and nutrients along with it. In Fact, Pure WMS moves through the stomach 80% faster than dextrose and maltodextrin.

I guess this better explains how it achieves such rapid assimilation. It does not "bypass" the stomach, but rather "passes through" incredibly quickly.

Ok, well that makes more sense. But as a polysaccharide it will still require digestion before it can move through the intestinal wall. Glucose/dextrose does not need digested at all because it is already in its simplest form, so how does WMS move through so much faster?

Do you have any relevant information on it? Google is not being friendly for me on this.

Originally Posted by Robboe

Ok, well that makes more sense. But as a polysaccharide it will still require digestion before it can move through the intestinal wall. Glucose/dextrose does not need digested at all because it is already in its simplest form, so how does WMS move through so much faster?

Do you have any relevant information on it? Google is not being friendly for me on this.

This might provide relevant info for you...

http://www.vitargo.com/Engelsk/Vitar...apl_st_eng.htm

Cool. But isn't Vitargo potato starch? (not corn starch like WMS).

Originally Posted by Robboe

Cool. But isn't Vitargo potato starch? (not corn starch like WMS).

The original Vitargo was made from WMS. However, word is that they are switching over to using barley or potato because it is cheaper. However, it is also inferior.

Gotcha.

I thought it had always been potato starch (and patented).

Originally Posted by Robboe

Gotcha.

I thought it had always been potato starch (and patented).

I guess the name Vitargo is patented or trademarked, but it does not mean another company can't sell pure WMS.

Originally Posted by gopro

I guess the name Vitargo is patented or trademarked, but it does not mean another company can't sell pure WMS.

Yeah but the link of info you gave me is for Vitargo (or at least on the vitargo site). I was under the impression the research on the link used potato starch, not WMS.

Originally Posted by Robboe

Yeah but the link of info you gave me is for Vitargo (or at least on the vitargo site). I was under the impression the research on the link used potato starch, not WMS.

Ok, well, according to the label on Professional Supplements brand Vitargo, it claims to use WMS. So, I would assume that the research was done on WMS. However, IF it was potato starch, all I can say is that the same basically applies to WMS, with the latter being even better and more efficiently absorbed.

Originally Posted by gopro

Ok, well, according to the label on Professional Supplements brand Vitargo, it claims to use WMS. So, I would assume that the research was done on WMS. However, IF it was potato starch, all I can say is that the same basically applies to WMS, with the latter being even better and more efficiently absorbed.

This is from the label of PS Pure Vitargo...

"Pure Vitargo® is a unique patented high molecular weight carbohydrate made from Swedish waxy maize starch. Pure Vitargo® is a long chain complex carbohydrate which acts far more favorably than dextrose & maltodextrin (the main ingredients in sports drinks today). Pure Vitargo® has a molecular weight which is about 100 times greater than maltodextrin and about 3000 times greater than dextrose. Due to its high molecular weight, Pure Vitargo® passes through the stomach very quickly. In doing so it acts like a pump, pulling water and nutrients along with it. In Fact, Pure Vitargo® moves through the stomach 80% faster than dextrose and maltodextrin. Dextrose also binds water from the body's reserves (small intestine, blood & muscles) and draws it into the stomach. This explains why so many dextrose users experience stomach discomfort or a bloated feeling. Pure Vitargo®, on the other hand, keeps you bloat-free and the muscles superhydrated."

And here is the study that THEY reference...

References:
(1): a649.13,2001. K. Piehl Aulin, E. Hultman, European Journal of Applied Physiology, 81:346-351, 2000: Muscle glycogen resynthesis rate in humans after supplementation of drinks containing carbohydrates with low and high molecular masses (Vitargo®). J.B. Leiper, K. SÃderlund, Department of Physiology and Pharmacology Karolinska Institute and Department of Sport and Health Sciences, Stockholm University, Sweden: Improved gastric emptying rate in humans of a unique carbohydrate polymer (Vitargo®) with gel forming properties.

Ok, fair is fair.

Originally Posted by Robboe

Ok, fair is fair.

and foul is foul

How much would you recommend taking PWO?

I'm currently eating rice cakes after I lift, coupled with my protein shake. I do not have dextrose in the shake, just protein powder. Should I go with what they recommend, at nearly 60g's of that stuff?

Originally Posted by scbz01602

How much would you recommend taking PWO?

I'm currently eating rice cakes after I lift, coupled with my protein shake. I do not have dextrose in the shake, just protein powder. Should I go with what they recommend, at nearly 60g's of that stuff?

You can either switch to getting ALL of your PW carbs from WMS or you can split it between WMS and rice cakes. It is up to you, and depends on your bodyweight, training and goals in terms of just how mant PW carbs you take in.

For the past 5 weeks I have been taking in about 100 g carbs PW...80 g from WMS and 20 g from glucose (contained in ALRI Regeneration).

Originally Posted by gopro

You can either switch to getting ALL of your PW carbs from WMS or you can split it between WMS and rice cakes. It is up to you, and depends on your bodyweight, training and goals in terms of just how mant PW carbs you take in.

For the past 5 weeks I have been taking in about 100 g carbs PW...80 g from WMS and 20 g from glucose (contained in ALRI Regeneration).

Sounds good man, thanks for sharing this... I already ordered three tubs, anxiously awaiting arrival

Originally Posted by scbz01602

Sounds good man, thanks for sharing this... I already ordered three tubs, anxiously awaiting arrival

No problem. Just here to help bro!

Originally Posted by gopro

No problem. Just here to help bro!

Thanks alot GP I for one have have gained alot of knowledge from reading your posts!

Originally Posted by scbz01602

Sounds good man, thanks for sharing this... I already ordered three tubs, anxiously awaiting arrival

How many lbs is that? Was it expensive?

Originally Posted by sheadogg20

Thanks alot GP I for one have have gained alot of knowledge from reading your posts!

Agreed!!