dontsurfonmytur

I currently use Dextrose in my PWO shake, but I see that many people use malto and dex. Is malto just as important as dex in a post workout shake? Does it do something different than dex?

Flakko

Maltodextrin is absorbed a little bit slower that Dextrose. Dextrose is glucose, the type of sugar used by your body, therefore you body can use it inmediately without having to break it down into simple molecules.
Also, Maltodextrin gives you shake a thicker consistency and it's not sweet at all. After an intense workout you want fast absorbing carbs and Dextrose is perfect for that purpose.
You can add Maltodextrin to your post w/o shake too. It could be like 0% dextrose 40% maltodextrin depending on the workout.

juggernaut

Flak's right.

There is another route you can take (which Jodi recommended to me). It involved using slow burning carbs (1 serving of fruit, 1/2 cup old fashioned oats, skim milk, yogurt and whey) to help the recovery process.

I'm going to get a lot shit for recommending this, but I feel personally, that the media and rags emphasize too much on quick carbs. Ever since I switched to the above formula alone, making no switches in diet, my gains have been strong and the bodyfat has been dropping. Also, strength has continued on an excelled pace and my body looks fuller. From this alone!
Jodi knows. I'm actually very impressed with what that girl knows.

juggernaut

if you are really intent on using quick carbs, use a tsp of dex, alongside the slow burner formula.

Flakko

Also, I read on a magazine that you can use white bread.
Like juggernaut said about his formula. Since I switched to white bread my gains are more noticeable. I eat 4 slices of white bread I get in Wal-Mart. That's 50g of carbs ans just 2g of fat. In addition, I add one scoop or less of Dextrose, depending on my workout.

dontsurfonmytur

I actually take my shake at the gym in the lockerroom, that is why I use dextrose and thought about using malto. What's the best postworkout shake u can easily make in the locker room u guys recommend?

juggernaut

here's what I do:
Right after my workout, I'll take in 1 peach with 2 scoops of whey, 2g of vitamin C, 400iu of Vitamin E, CEE, Pine Bark Extract (a good vasodilator), gynema sylvestre and a little salt.
An hour later, I will have 1 cup of old fashioned oats, a tbsp of flax, another 20g of whey + 20g of casein, some stevia, cinnamon and a banana.

Now this works for me but might be too much or too little for you guys.

Flakko

That looks pretty solid Jugger!
I'mma try that myself

juggernaut

works for me.

dontsurfonmytur

Pine Bark Extract (a good vasodilator), gynema sylvestre and a little salt

So pine bark extract makes u more vascular? What is gynema sylvestre and why salt?
Also i usually eat a wholesome meal 1 hour or so after my postworkout shake, so can i just have like 60% dex 40% malto as my carb source.
also are the vitamin c and E's crucial?

juggernaut

In a nutshell: gymnema acts as an insulin mimicker; C and E are good for optimizing recovery and lowering damaging free radicals; salt with carbs to drive nutrients and water into muscles.

FishOrCutBait

Imma give this one a try! Id been toying around with oats for quite some time, thing is, some people just cant handle the whole "Fast Carb" dealio, ya know?

were you talking about Pycnogenol? http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/...nol-p-860.html

or the actual whole extract?

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dontsurfonmytur

Would i benefit more from using Malto and dex? Or would it be just as benefial to use dex alone?

FishOrCutBait

If you insist, I would recommend using a 50-50 of malto and dex. remember that a teaspoon of dextrose is appx. twice as many carbs as a teaspoon of maltodextrin.

SO. this means that you'd effectively use 2 parts maltodextrin and 1 part dextrose for any mix.

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juggernaut

hes right

Pirate!

Dextrose and whey, simple as that. There is no need for malto when you have dextrose. Then, eat real food an hour later.

FishOrCutBait

I really like the oats method more.

Theres more than a buttload of threads, on this site alone, that convincingly explain the lack of a need for a PWO spike. most of them are either written or linked to by Jodi, our afficianato [woah. spelling?] on all things food-ial

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juggernaut

buttload?
foodial?

Anywaaaaaay,
the more I thought about Jodi's (foodial) advice the better sense it made to me. What good is the need for something like a PWO spike when I am seeing the better results using something such as oats which doesnt give me any BF and is helping me to lose by this alone? I'm thinking of its usefulness when it comes to ectos, and even then I question the need when it will only convert to BF if not used wisely. Just my two cha-chings.

FishOrCutBait

Both very scientific terms, in case you were wondering.

well said. But the issue at hand here is is it best for everybody? No, of course not. Some people will like a hard PWO spike, and will see better results from it. Others, including ourselves, will try to shy away from spiking insulin levels altogether, because keeping BF to a minimum is one of our main goals.

Its all preference and goal based adaptation.

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juggernaut

tried and true theory on one's self is probably the only non-biased proof that something works for someone.

FishOrCutBait

this holds true in all bodybuilding type endeavors.

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Martinogdenbsx

was gonan comment but theres no need most has been covered

Pirate!

An insulin spike will not make you gain a bunch of fat unless you are eating too many calories or consuming an appreciable amount of fat. It’s a long expensive road for CHOs to be stored as lipids. For those who are unable to estimate their energy needs, avoiding hi GI foods may be the most prudent route. However, an insulin spike with the right amount of CHO at the right time is significantly anti-catabolic. Following it up with whole foods will prevent the blood glucose crash. I don't need to post a bunch of links to studies. I've spent the last three years majoring in Nutrition. This is one of the most highly debated topics on these forums, and the truth lies on neither side. There are too many factors to simplify it the way people try to. Besides, this thread's topic has nothing to do with oats, yogurt, or anything other than dextrose and maltodextrin.

FishOrCutBait

we were having post answer discussion, although you are right

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UltimateBody

30 g of dextrose + 30 g of malto post-exercise = the right way to go!

dontsurfonmytur

I will take your word pirate, and keep it with whey + dextrose

juggernaut

try my concoction first.

dontsurfonmytur

juggernaut, i really would liek 2, but the thing is i have my shake in the lockerroom, so i need somethign i can just shake up.

UltimateBody

So you formulated myozene?
http://www.prosource.net/article-myozene.jsp

juggernaut

hmmmmmm....how about having a tupperware full of the oats-premade and a piece of fruit? I've done it. It tastes cold but fuck it, its going in the same chute.